[Foundation-l] Adminship tools on Commons

Sat Apr 14 18:08:46 UTC 2007

I shall offer a final compromise in Commons Village Pump and according to
it's results, see what should be done next.
Yoni

2007/4/14, Yoni Weiden <yonidebest at gmail.com>:
>
>  --> "but at the end of the day, you have to consider that the Commons
> community has to trust you"
>
> Indeed. That is whay I brought support votes from my "town". You on the
> other hand thought this was disguasting. My previous post says it all: I am
> infact trustworthy.
> Yoni
>
>
> 2007/4/14, Titoxd at Wikimedia <titoxd.wikimedia at gmail.com>:
>
> > Several things:
> > Temporary adminship is usually assigned for projects that either have no
> >
> > administrators, or a limited number of administrators, and under some
> > sort
> > of emergency (e.g. a spambot attacking Wikispecies with pictures of
> > human
> > fecal matter). I am not sure about granting adminship to a large project
> >
> > such as Commons, with an active community, for the purpose of a task
> > that
> > does not require adminship.
> > Assuming the summary is correct (that you consider translating the
> > interface
> > directly to SVN a waste of time), then what would happen would
> > essentially
> > be an even larger waste of time. First, you translate the messages,
> > which
> > then have to be manually gathered and modified by a developer, and then
> > the
> > message file is created. That alternative, when compared to making or
> > updating a message file directly is sluggish. As for updating local
> > files -
> > that can be perfectly done through the normal Commons processes. As many
> > users indicated on both RfAs, you can just edit pages, and one of the
> > hundreds of Commons admins will do that for you.
> > Finally, there is no such thing as an inherent "right to adminship",
> > even if
> > you're an admin in another project, because you are talking about two
> > completely different communities. You could be the mayor of your town,
> > but
> > be a complete stranger in another state - the exact same situation
> > occurs
> > here. Sure, being an admin on another wiki will most likely have a
> > positive
> > influence in other users' opinions, but at the end of the day, you have
> > to
> > consider that the Commons community has to trust you. Assertions of "I
> > will
> > come back to help" as the ones you made on your second RfA really have
> > no
> > proof behind them; you simply do not have any track record *on Commons*
> > that
> > will satisfy users' concerns. If you had the track record first, they
> > would
> > be satisfied, and that's what a substantial portion of the opposition is
> >
> > saying. Besides, this is really the wrong place to ask; the proper place
> > would be within Commons.
> > By the way, the reason there's an "en" on the top of Commons media pages
> > is
> > not because they like en.wp, but because the toolserver barfs on the
> > English
> > Wikipedia's database, throwing stale data, killing CheckUsage and other
> > toolserver-based tools.
> > Titoxd.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yoni
> > Weiden
> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:28 AM
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Adminship tools on Commons
> >
> > I disagree. I think I am entitled to use the tools Wikimedia can offer
> > in
> > order to translate the site. There is not reason to reject a temoprary
> > adminship, to say the least.
> > Yoni
> >
> >
> > 2007/4/14, Casey Brown <cbrown1023 at comcast.net>:
> >
> > > You really have no case for an appeal.  The Commons community may
> > appoint
> > > whoever they want as administrators.  I am not taking sides, but you
> > have
> > > no
> > > case.  The best place to take this up would be locally on the Commons
> > > Village pump or Administrators' noticeboard.
> > >
> > > Cbrown1023
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > > [mailto: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yoni
> > Weiden
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:09 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Adminship tools on Commons
> > >
> > > FYI, The first nommination has nothing to do with my request to
> > translate
> > > the site and it is very old. In any case, who can help me appeal?
> > > Yoni
> > >
> > >
> > > 2007/4/14, Yoni Weiden < yonidebest at gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > >  Hi,
> > > > I am talking about the following unfair vote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators/Requests_and_votes/
> > > Yonidebest-2
> > > > -
> > > >
> > > > (note that the link may not work because of the "-" at the end of
> > the
> > > > link: I have once before opened a redirect from
> > > > Commons:Administrators/Requests_and_votes/Yonidebest-2
> > > > to
> > > > Commons:Administrators/Requests_and_votes/Yonidebest-2-
> > > > but it has been deleted before. I hope they wont delete my redirect
> > > again.
> > > > In any case - if the link doesnt work, please add a "-" at the end
> > of
> > > the
> > > > address bar link).
> > > > Yoni
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2007/4/14, Casey Brown < cbrown1023 at comcast.net>:
> > > >
> > > > > Please provide some links or otherwise identifying material so
> > that we
> > > > > can
> > > > > figure out what you are talking about.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cbrown1023
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > [mailto: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
> > Yoni
> > > > > Weiden
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:52 PM
> > > > > To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > Subject: [Foundation-l] Adminship tools on Commons
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel my request to use the admin tools on Commons was unfairly
> > > > > rejected
> > > > > because of many many reasons. I would like to appeal this unfair
> > > > > decision of
> > > > > the voters and get my chance to present my case infront of a
> > neutural
> > > > > set of
> > > > > people. I request this because I will not accept this kind of
> > behavior
> > > > > in a
> > > > > Wikimedia site. This is, IMHO, against the ideas of Wikimedia and
> > > > > against
> > > > > the reasons for which Adminship exists. Can you please advise to
> > whom
> > > I
> > > > > should speak to?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Yoni
> > > > > aka, Yonidebest at he.wiki
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