[Foundation-l] Language Prevention Committee created

Mark Williamson node.ue at gmail.com
Mon Apr 2 21:56:34 UTC 2007

Since I apparently hate all projects besides Wikipedia (according to
an e-mail Mr Meijssen sent me), I'll stick with a nice "ditto" instead
of rehashing all of Andre's arguments.

Nice job, Andre :-)


On 02/04/07, Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2007/4/2, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> > There are two languages, Marathi and kiRuanda that are now properly
> > supported in MediaWiki. There are many more languages that demonstrate how
> > bad the old procedure is for starting new projects.
> >
> > There is nothing stopping people working on content. We are quite content to
> > have new languages start in the Incubator.
> The incubator was intended to *start* languages. Not to keep them indefinitely.
> > The arguments that are used to get new projects now ignore all the reasons
> > why localisation is so important and why there is a language committee in
> > the first place. It is made out as if the situation was so great before. We
> > have had "languages" forced on us that do not exist, languages that take the
> > codes because it was voted that way. We have ugly political situations like
> > the Belarus where people are not willing to work together. Situations where
> > a NPOV cannot be expected.
> That's all good and well, and no doubt the language committee would
> improve those things, but NONE of those have anything to do with
> localisation. If there are reasons why localisation is important,
> those are not the reasons. Do I think that localisation is important?
> Yes, though not as much as you do. But I do not think that
> localisation is so important that we should keep projects on hold
> until it has been reached. You have not been close to convincing me
> otherwise.
> > It is quite clear that the situation is not good. It is equally clear that
> > the solution is simple. It just takes a friendly developer to take the hour
> > it takes to create all the message files in the Incubator.
> Alternatively, you could let the languages go through and trust that
> there is a developer who will do that some time. As simple a solution,
> and one that YOU can do. Just give the languages that you think are
> ready their Wikipedia, and when a developer decides that it's a good
> idea to create the message file, bring it to that wiki.
> > When there are no
> > friendly developers willing to do this, then it is for the board to give it
> > the required priority. It is ultimately the board that gave us our mandate
> > we are quite happy to think outside of the box and find solutions. It is
> > plain stupid to pull the requirements when the existence of the localisation
> > has proven so essential in getting projects to attract new editors.
> Has it? Where is your evidence? And it doesn't seem that being on the
> incubator is so much better than having an own wiki either. Why force
> others to do what you want before you do what others want? If it is
> your job to do that....
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