[Foundation-l] Taipei chosen to host Wikimania 2007

[effe iets anders]

Please... Why are we having these fights? Taipei has been chosen now,
and we can i think do two things: Accept that or not. If we do the
second, we will be fighting over this for weeks, months and maybe
longer. I think Taipei made a good bid, and I am not in the position
to decide whether it was the best. It has been chosen, please let the
bidding team now proove that their bid was good indeed (we will never
know a comparison with Turin or London or Alexandria)
Please stop fighting over who copied something from someone else. It
is NO use! In wiki it is *good* to copy the good things right? As long
as it is the idea of improoving your bid, it is OK imho. The bid it is
copied from won't be less good by that. The idea is not to *win* with
your bid, but the idea should be to let the jury offer as much as
possible material to be able to make a fair choise for the best bid.
So please leave the harass behind, and let the Taipei people do their
job, let them work their bid out to a real wikimania. Please let's all
hope it will be a great conference, and don't make it harder for them
with all these fights.

Greetings,

Lodewijk

2006/9/30, Alison Wheeler <wikimedia at alisonwheeler.com>:
> On Sat, September 30, 2006 07:45, Gatto Nero wrote:
> > I'm not saying that you were not allowed to copy or to take
> > inspiration from the other bids.
> > I just find it sad to make it in this way.
>
> Could you just get a reality check here, and there's also a bit of the pot
> calling the kettle back here. Your bid *also* copied ideas from other
> bids, including london's, yet you haven't seen us complain. All the bids
> were GFDL (because of where they were placed on meta - personally I'd have
> been much much happier if the bids were developed in private by the
> various teams and then submitted by email).
>
> For instance; For London I added links to the articles about London on
> every language's wp [1] timestamped 10:56, 10 September 2006. The next
> evening you copied this! (21:36, 11 September 2006 [2]). Taipei waited
> until [3] then at 07:54, 14 September 2006 you moved your list to the
> exact same position [4] on the bid as ours!
>
> On 20:10, 10 September 2006 we added a gallery of images of London already
> in commons [5]. A gallery was added by Taipei at 00:54, 13 September 2006
> [6] but then removed in favour of including the images individually.
>
> Or maybe I should mention the use of flags? At 18:35, 14 September 2006
> [7] I added them to our bid (indeed I had to create one! [8]) yet at
> 05:23, 16 September 2006 there was Taiwan using them too [9]!
>
> We were surprised though that no other bid copied our welcome in multiple
> languages [10] at the top of the bid (English, French, German, Italian and
> Japanese) to make the point that London is very much a multi-lingual city
> as we believe that Wikimania should reflect the babel of languages that
> are spoken world-wide.
>
> There are other examples too of bids taking ideas from each other (but I
> don't intend to go through every diff - life is too short) but the point
> is Wikimania - like all the other WMF projects - is a collaborative thing
> too. I found it very flattering that many of my ideas were copied quickly
> - it is the 'wiki way'.
>
> Alison Wheeler
>
>
> [1]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=next&oldid=430653
> [2]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Torino&diff=next&oldid=431780
> [3]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Taipei&diff=next&oldid=433195
> [4]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Torino&diff=next&oldid=433825
> [5]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=prev&oldid=431053
> [6]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Taipei&diff=prev&oldid=432816
> [7]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=next&oldid=433903
> [8] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Icons-flag-eu.png
> [9]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Taipei&diff=next&oldid=434991
> [10]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=next&oldid=432060
>
>
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