[Foundation-l] Logo Contests

[Nicholas Moreau]

The reason I suggested multiple languages is because this seems harder to
achieve than broad consensus. Thus if it's harder to start a logo contest,
there's less chance of them starting when they're not needed. Although I'm
not complaining, the selection of my illustration for the Wikisource logo
was thanks to the German Wikipedia's approval vote. The English vote was
still in a state of complete indecision.

I just threw the comcom in because it's involved in Communications, and the
visual identity of the projects seems to fall into its domain. It was just
thrown in.

I'm not saying that there's an insider running the elections. In fact, I
can't even remember who the current overseers are, it's slipped my memory. I
have no objection to the current election or election process whatsoever.

What I meant was that any logo contest needs someone to oversee everything,
so that the contests aren't loosey-goosey, open-ended things like they are
now. Someone to establish rules, to answer questions, to co-ordinate between
languages... but without having a personal interest in one logo or another,
as a regular contributor.

As per Angela's comment, that the resolution should apply to new projects,
I'm not sure why that would be needed. New projects need logos, this
proposal was to stunt the amount of //replacement// logos.

Nick



Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:31:04 -0400
> From: "Brad Patrick" <bradp.wmf at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Logo Contests
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> I'm not sure I follow your logic here.
>
> I think you are suggesting mixing broad consensus within a language and
> consensus across languages.  But why is that relevant to logos per se?
>
> Why is Com Com suddenly the arbiter of what is acceptable?
>
> Who are you accusing of being a WMF insider running elections?  I didn't
> even know about them until it was posted to Foundation this week.
>
> -Brad
>
> On 9/12/06, Nicholas Moreau <nicholasmoreau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On another bent to the topic, could I ask the board to pass a resolution
> > regarding replacement logos saying:
> >
> >    1. At least five of top ten contributing languages must agree the
> logo
> >    should be changed.
> >    2. If this is satisfied, the Board and/or Communications Committee
> >    must agree in principal that a logo change would be timely,
> acceptable
> > and
> >    warranted.
> >    3. Logo competitions must be structured from the beginning by
> >    independent Wikimedians, as the board elections are.
> >
> > While I agree that Wiktionary and Wikisource needed to be refreshed,
> > Wikibooks just seems to be riding the trend, and I'm worried that once
> > these
> > competitions are over, there'll only be more. It would be nice to keep
> the
> > project identities steady.
> >
> > Nick
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:34:50 +1000
> From: Angela <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Logo Contests
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
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> On 9/13/06, Nicholas Moreau <nicholasmoreau at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On another bent to the topic, could I ask the board to pass a resolution
> > regarding replacement logos saying:
> >
> >    1. At least five of top ten contributing languages must agree the
> logo
> >    should be changed.
> >    2. If this is satisfied, the Board and/or Communications Committee
> >    must agree in principal that a logo change would be timely,
> acceptable and
> >    warranted.
> >    3. Logo competitions must be structured from the beginning by
> >    independent Wikimedians, as the board elections are.
>
> I've put this on the Board wiki, though I think it may be more useful
> to expand it so the resolution is applicable to new projects
> (wikiversity, incubator) as well and those won't have 10 languages by
> the time they want a logo.
>
> Angela.