[Foundation-l] Meta:MetaProject to Overhaul Meta

[Anthere]

David Gerard wrote:
> Anthere wrote:
> 
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>>Actually, you know what I *really* think deep inside ?
>>I think that for some reasons, en.wiki is not keeping you busy enough.
>>So, you are looking for other things to do. If you want to play moving
>>the dust around, fine. This might be useful. But I hope that you do not
>>remove very precious artifacts, as you call them.
> 
> 
> 
> That's nice. Are you speaking for the Foundation here?

By default, I speak as an individual human being. I would not dare say 
anything in the name of the Foundation, without the agreement of the 
other board members :-)

Besides, activity on meta is unrelated to Foundation issues. It is not 
the Foundation wiki. Nor the chapter wiki. It is every editor in a 
Wikimedia Project wiki.

So, there is no reason to introduce the Foundation here.

I ask because
> of opinions expressed by Aurevilly and Delphine on the Communications
> Committee list regarding en: Wikipedia.

I am not on the communication committee. I do not have access to the 
communication committee mailing list. So, I have no idea what was 
discussed there since it was created. I am actually not even allowed to 
post to that list. So, sorry, I do not know which opinions were 
expressed by Villy and Delphine on the topic of the english wikipedia.
I can not  help you here...

Fairly problematic ones
> considering Wikimedia France is the one local chapter that is actually
> legally affiliated with the Foundation.

Hmmmm. Recent discussions showed that this affiliation was actually 
quite limited. We foresee that the bylaws will be modified in that 
respect in the future. Note that I absolutely have no idea what is the 
relationship between
1) categorizing meta and deleting historical articles and essays
2) Affiliation of Wikimedia France with the Foundation
3) Villy and Delphine opinion on en.wikipedia

You got me entirely lost here David :-(((

I note that Aurevilly just
> blanked his en: Wikipedia user page, coinciding with expressing his
> contempt for en:wp openly.

Hum ?
Well, Aurevilly has had some personal issues recently (which are none of 
this list business). He took a short wikibreak a few days ago. Imho, 
blanking his page on en.wikipedia is totally unrelated to anything he 
could have said about the english wikipedia. I fear you are in a wrong 
path here...

  Just the thing for a Foundation person to
> show their high regard for cross project issues.

Hmmmmm. I *think* that all the people working on Foundation issues are 
suffering considering stress these days. This has extremely little to do 
with any opinion we could have with one project or another.

I myself was on a semi-wiki break most of last week. You may have 
noticed other people posting less frequently than before.

It is difficult to work on Foundation issues, because the Foundation is 
suffering growing pains. It is difficult for us to find the *right* 
path, or at least the least *bad* path. It is difficult for us to agree 
when we know some decisions may have HUGE consequences on the whole 
project.

And aside from this weight about responsability, Foundation people share 
a difficulty to take care of all issues in timely fashion. There is a 
lot to do, and many of us also have a life aside from the Foundation. It 
is not always easy to have everything fit together. Most of us need 
breaks from time to time. We just are more or less noisy when we do so 
:-) I do not think it is fair to consider these "breaks" as contempt for 
the projects. Usually, it really is not...

> What on earth is going in in WMF France? Has en: wikipedia been
> declared the enemy?

Hum ?

Villy is not on the french association board...

But, yes, the french people have a certain proeminence which might 
appear shocking to english editors :-)

> - d.

Ant


PS : from time to time, I still go editing on en.wikipedia. Often 
anonymously actually ;-) Yesterday night, I needed a cool time. I went 
to take care of the ecoregions. I did some tagging and categorizing 
during a full hour. I think I started working on the ecoregions more 
than 3 years ago. Now, I do not do much. There is an editor, 
Radulovitch. He has been working on ecoregions for more than 2 years. He 
is, little by little, doing an absolutely fabulous work. I admired it 
yesterday night. Then, I helped a little categorizing it better. It is 
possible to contribute on en.wikipedia while keeping very little 
interaction with the other editors (in particular avoiding most of the 
mindless arguments and useless edit wars). It is very relaxing. There is 
no reason to see the english wikipedia the enemy...