[Foundation-l] new site notice now ready

Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Sat Dec 30 15:50:10 UTC 2006

When we were in the porno business we would have the best articles 
explaining what porno is. It would not be 1.500.000 articles in English, 
we would not have 312.579 articles with lexical information as on the 
English language Wiktionary, we might have 1.056.887 media files but 
really. I am also certain that we would not have you interested in such 
a resource then again what do I know?

Please use reasonable arguments.


The Cunctator schreef:
> On 12/28/06, daniwo59 at aol.com <daniwo59 at aol.com> wrote:
>> First of all, I want to say that I agree with most everything Erik has
>> written so far, and can't really add to his eloquent explanations. Nevertheless,
>> as someone who was involved from the beginning in these discussions, I want to
>> raise a few points here.
>> 1. The Wikimedia Foundation has grown beyond anyone's wildest  expectations
>> in terms of traffic, hits, articles, and projects. We are a top ten  website.
>> 2. We are doing this on a shoestring budget, with minimal staff and minimal
>> expenses.
>> 3. We are able to do this because of dedicated volunteers, like everyone
>> writing on this list.
>> But --
>> 4. The Foundation, which hosts all these projects does not want to be
>> gobbled up by some big corporation, like Youtube was, like Myspace was, or like  any
>> other successful website was. We want to maintain our independence.
>> 5. Independence comes at a cost. We have to buy servers, and we have to  find
>> the right people to manage all of the other things involved with running a
>> huge foundation.
>> 6. Considering our growth, the base of volunteers does not scale. All the
>> good will in the world does not mean that people can take off exams or their
>> jobs or their families to work 24/7 to keep this thing running.
>> 7. We are already paying a steep cost. While it doesn't appear in the  audit,
>> the fact that we do not have advertising is costing us. This is  unrealized
>> income at a minimum of $60k a day and probably much more. In other  words it is
>> many millions a year. Yet, the Board and the community have chosen  to avoid
>> ads so that we can maintain our independence.
> You have a strange definition of cost. Wikipedia is missing out on
> tons of money by not being in the porno business. You don't get to
> write that up as a cost.

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