[Foundation-l] Translations fundraising.wikimedia.org

[Gary Kirk]

I found some stuff on meta to read about it. Thanks.

On 12/22/06, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for your interest. On the other hand I don't know you at all
> - it unlikely happened, if you are working on this sphere. And we
> really need 1) who knows what translation is and 2) who are
> trustworthy. From this thread I failed to have such feeling (1, but
> thank you for your interest, anyway. .
>
> On 12/23/06, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > OK, substitue 'should' for 'it might be better if' if you wish. I am
> > not saying this as a random outsider, I would like to be involved with
> > at least making a start translating, so maybe I should join the
> > Translation subcommitee, if that is an option?
> >
> > On 12/22/06, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > As a Translation subcommittee chair speaking however on an individual
> > > basis, I would like to point out that we are volunteer teams and you
> > > have no reason to say what we "should" do and so on. I understand
> > > there are some heay needs and expectations, and I myself expect to see
> > > some translated sooner or later and always I am very happy to get a
> > > new, well proofread translations, but again I daresay there is no
> > > translation we *should* do.
> > >
> > > If you think something should be translated until a certain time, I
> > > recommend you to propose the translation budget which will allows to
> > > get contract basis translations. I strongly states in this
> > > circumstance there is nothing we *should* do - all our current
> > > translators are unpaid volunteers who must care for their real life
> > > concerns.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your understanding,
> > >
> > > On 12/22/06, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I think what should be taken from all this is that translation
> > > > requests should be made and publicised *well* before the whatever
> > > > we're translating about happens - for stuff we know about obviously -
> > > > like the Fundraiser. 'The Fundraiser starts tomorrow' is not much
> > > > notice, is it?
> > > >
> > > > On 12/22/06, habj <sweetadelaide at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > 2006/12/22, Sam Korn <smoddy at gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt that will make a difference, as I only used the notes that
> > > > > > were in English to help me.  Provided that a Thai dictionary, for
> > > > > > instance, has similar quality notes (and this is a good but not
> > > > > > exceptional dictionary) I see no reason why this should be
> impossible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, a knowledge of the language and culture is helpful.  But it's
> not
> > > > > > completely impossible to manage without for these simple phrases.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO we are splitting hairs. Of course there exists lists of words
> > > > > that are simple enough that they can be translated with only a
> > > > > dictionary! (and some context, or you can not use the explanation
> and
> > > > > notes in your dictionary). The question is how common these cases
> are,
> > > > > and I'd say that partly depends on how afraid you are of silly
> > > > > mistakes. One might realise that when put in context, the simple
> word
> > > > > has the wrong grammatical form... since the language one translates
> > > > > from does not distinguish between these two etc. etc. ad nauseam.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've translated MediaWiki messages "blindly". It often worked OK,
> some
> > > > > had to be tweaked when we discovered where they were used. That was
> no
> > > > > big deal. In PR material, such as this fundraising stuff, silly
> > > > > mistakes look much worse. I think this discussion still somehow
> hovers
> > > > > around the topic of C.O.R.E. and to me it is clear that a
> translation
> > > > > with just a dictionary would be less satisfactory, so that correct
> > > > > English in most cases is a better alternative.
> > > > >
> > > > > /habj
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