[Foundation-l] Enforcing WP:CITE the Soi case

[Walter van Kalken]

The Soi case.

On the Dutch wikipedia I wrote the article [[soi]]. It was also written 
on the english wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soi)

According to the CITE principal this article should be deleted right now 
as it is not from a book nor a website, but partly from my own and any 
Thais experience. Even though it contains pure facts which are the truth 
it doesn't cite anything as no sources are used. Note I didn't write the 
english article but it basicaly says the same as the Dutch article.

Facts:
/*1) Soi*/ (Thai <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_alphabet>: *???*) is 
the term used in Thailand <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand> for a 
side-street branching off a major street (/thanon 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thanon&action=edit>/). An 
alley is called a /Trok 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trok&action=edit>/.

All true but do not have it from any book.

2) Sois are usually numbered, and are referred to by the name of the 
major street and the number, as in "Sukhumvit Soi 4",

Also please come and have a look but not from any book

3) All the even-numbered sois are on one side of the street, the 
odd-numbered ones on the other.

How do you want me to prove that from citations without flying you over 
here?

4) If for instance a soi is added between soi 7 and soi 9 it will get 
the name soi 7/1, the next one soi 7/2 etc.

Again fact new soi was added between 2 sois near my home got the 6/1 
number as it was between sois 6 and 8. No sources sorry

5) Almost all sois also have a name.

I first wanted to be bolder as I have never seen a soi that doesn't also 
have a name. But I decided to be a bit less sure about it

6) On lower Sukhumvit road in Bangkok for instance the soi's are named 
after important landowners or families of landowners who had land in the 
area in the past.

Verified with Thais whose families actually come from these landowners 
and have been living in the area for a long time. Again no books.

7) Some sois become major thoroughfares and because of that get known by 
their name only. Examples are Thonglor (Sukhumvit soi 55), Asoke 
(Sukhumvit soi 21) etc.

Again plain fact. Books anyone?

So according to the CITE offensive this article and many like this 
should be deleted even though there is nothing that is not the truth in 
there. Is it original research? I do not think so. You see the problem 
is when you start this CITE offensive one day one of our "police" 
officers will find this article and put it up for deletion because there 
are no sources. People take these so called guidelines much to strict 
and cause damage with it.

This is why I would say be stricter on anons and newbies and maybe make 
some kind of ranking of wikipedians that are known to work in good faith 
or that are known IRL. Like me, anyone can always call me (see my 
phonenumbers) I even put my homeaddress up once. I might not always be 
able to quote directly where I got something from. But I am handling in 
good faith.

And with me there are many people like me.

Waerth/Walter