[Foundation-l] RE:New language policy

[Joanot Martorell]

Hi to all!

First of all, I apologize for any inconvenience because my English isn't quite
fine. In spite of my handicap on language skillness, I want to participate in
this debate from my own point of view. I've supported the creation of a
Wikipedia in Murcian, but I've opposed another one for Wikipedia in Andalusian,
because several reasons. I would like tell us my reasons which perhaps may be
contribute in the point of view about a revision of the policy on new
wikipedias in another language.

For people who doesn't know yet who I am, I'm presenting myself as a high
contributor on Wikipedia in Catalan. I like also naming it as Wikipedia in
Valencian, as I often do it sometimes in somewhere. But I wouldn't support the
creation of a separate version of any Wikipedia in Valencian. Why?. When you
have a Wikipedia in a language wich is being "inclusive", you don't need
another Wikipedia in your own language/modality/dialect. Actually, valencian
particularities are a lot (i.e. lexicon, morphology on verbs, etc.), and some
of them are little known for Catalan-speaker and non-Valencian people. But
today it isn't being any kind of problem on Wikipedia in Catalan, because not
only all of this Valencian varieties are welcome, but also there is a policy
language wich are encouraging to use (and demanding to respect the existing of)
particularities in articles about specific Valencian subject.

So, if someone was proposing a separate Valencian version, I would oppose it
because it's needed, and because the only one difference between
"Catalan/Valencian" and "Valencian separated" would be only a different
writting norms, but the same words, the same contents, etc... It would be a
duplicated content of the same cultural matter. These were the same reasons
that I've opposed a Wikipedia in Andalusian, but I've supported a Wikipedia in
Murcian.

In my own opinion, actually Andalusian varieties are being (and could be)
welcome in Wikipedia in Spanish (Castillian). By exemple, the word in
Castillian Spanish "charcutería" (chorcery) in Andalusian Spanish is "chacina",
and this word is admitted generally as a Spanish word. The only difference would
be the pronounciation, and because of it the proposers are remarking on a
different writting norms. It isn't needed a wiki in Andalusian because there is
already a wiki wich is being inclusive with Andalusian varieties.

In front of it, I've supported a Wikipedia in Murcian because these varieties
aren't (and could'nt be) welcome in Wikipedia in Spanish. In fact,
Spanish-speakers always are rejecting the Murcian varieties because it's
generally considered as a "bizarre" form of Spanish language. In any dictionary
of Spanish language you could find words in murcian such as "boria" (fog,
"niebla" in Spanish), "bezón" (twister, "gemelo"), etc... (neither in Wikipedia
in Spanish). In adding of Valencian language, I'm also a Spanish-speaker, and I
wouldn't accept those words as Spanish. And the proposers of a wiki in Murcian
aren't saying anything about a different writtin norms, actually the principal
promoter was saying that ***it would be written in Spanish writting norms***,
altough adapted a bit to their pronounciation. It is needed a wiki in Murcian
because there aren't any wiki wich would be able to be inclusive with Murcian
varieties. In fact, Wikipedia in Spanish are being exclusionist on it, as it
was exclusionist also with another dialects/languages such as Aragonese and
Asturian (have already their own wiki), wich are more closest to Spanish than
Murcian.

Concluding, I think that the wikimedia should be inclusionist to every
language/dialect/modality in the case these are being rejected in all projects
of Wikimedia, specially if these are rejected by the projects wich are in the
most nearest languages. And wikimedia should be exclusionist if a
language/dialect/modality are being included already on one of its projects.

Cheers!

Joanot Martorell
(not real name, but real person)

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