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>   1. Re: Anglo-Saxonisation of the commons (jfulrich at mailaka.net)
>   2. Re: English Wikipedia (jfulrich at mailaka.net)
>   3. Category renaming (was: Anglo-Saxonisation of the commons)
>      (Robin Schwab)
>   4. Re: UI design on image pages (Fredrik Josefsson)
>   5. Re: UI design on image pages (David Monniaux)
>   6. Re: UI design on image pages (Andre Engels)
>   7. Re: UI design on image pages (Fredrik Josefsson)
>   8. Re: UI design on image pages (Gregory Maxwell)
>   9. Re: UI design on image pages (David Monniaux)
>  10. Re: UI design on image pages (David Gerard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:28:17 -0000
> From: jfulrich at mailaka.net
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Anglo-Saxonisation of the commons
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> I agree.
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>                Laleena
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> From: bastique at bellsouth.net
> To: commons-l at wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Anglo-Saxonisation of the commons
> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:16:03 -0500
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>>It must have been a mental infarction.  Galleries are done using
>>native
>>language and redirects.  Categories have generally been done in
>>English.
>>
>>~~~~ (Cary)
>>
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>>> [mailto:commons-l-bounces at wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Brianna
>>Laugher
>>> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 7:43 PM
>>> To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Anglo-Saxonisation of the commons
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>>>
>>> On 02/01/07, Cary Bass <bastique at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> > I am fairly certain that the policy on Commons is that cities and
>>other
>>> > localities are in the native language.  Therefore M?nchen and
>>Praha are
>>> > absolutely correct and the categories must be fixed.
>>>
>>> No...
>>> did you ever notice [[category:??]] ? (or even worse, maybe
>>> [[category:transport in ??]]?)
>>>
>>> Nobody likes enforcing English-only categories to further
>>Anglo-saxon
>>> supremism or the like, but until we have proper category
>>redirects...
>>>
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>>> Brianna
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:30:21 -0000
> From: jfulrich at mailaka.net
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] English Wikipedia
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> Any issues on Wikipedia that need correcting?
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>                             LaleenaWiki
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:58:12 +0100
> From: Robin Schwab <contact at robinschwab.ch>
> Subject: [Commons-l] Category renaming (was: Anglo-Saxonisation of the
> commons)
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> In the recent days I noticed an increase in conflicts about category
> renaming. Two cases: Category:Churches_in_Italy (and others) and
> Category:Cities_and_villages_by_country
>
> I think we would benefit from a formalized system for category
> renamings. The damage is enormous if a well working category tree gets
> destroyed or damaged. Currently all places worldwide are categorized as
> cities independent of their size!
>
> An idea could be that there must be a deletion request for the category
> to be moved. What do you think of this?
>
> Regards
>
> Robin
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> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 01:15:55 +0100 (CET)
> From: Fredrik Josefsson <fred_chessplayer at yahoo.se>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
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> bawolff <bawolff+wn at gmail.com> skrev:  Why not just edit stuff in the 
> [[mediawiki:*]] namespace to make the
> uploader field more prominent in the file history? Whomever uploaded
> it is usually the author, and you don't need users to do the "right
> thing" its automatic.
>
> -bawolff
>
>  It is difficult to implement this, as the developers have told me.
>
>  I do think that if we want to develop this free stuff concept, our 
> software needs to be more user friendly. Wikipedia is getting big, but  it 
> is still too complicated for ordinary people to do things that  should be 
> simple, such as uploading files.
>
>  The upload form which requires the user to copy and paste a template is 
> not something I'd expect every user to understand (for example my 
> grandparents, but maybe not my parents either). And the current  language 
> translation of template is hardly optimal.
>
>  Fredrik.
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> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:48:17 +0100
> From: David Monniaux <David.Monniaux at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
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> Fredrik Josefsson a ?crit :
>> I do think that if we want to develop this free stuff concept, our
>> software needs to be more user friendly. Wikipedia is getting big, but
>> it is still too complicated for ordinary people to do things that
>> should be simple, such as uploading files.
> This is not necessarily a bad thing, since many many people out there
> seem to have very inaccurate ideas of copyright and other issues related
> to images. This is not YouTube.
>
> -- DM
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> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:00:36 +0100
> From: "Andre Engels" <andreengels at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
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> 2007/1/4, David Monniaux <David.Monniaux at free.fr>:
>>
>> Fredrik Josefsson a ?crit :
>> > I do think that if we want to develop this free stuff concept, our
>> > software needs to be more user friendly. Wikipedia is getting big, but
>> > it is still too complicated for ordinary people to do things that
>> > should be simple, such as uploading files.
>> This is not necessarily a bad thing, since many many people out there
>> seem to have very inaccurate ideas of copyright and other issues related
>> to images. This is not YouTube.
>>
>
> Unless you give me evidence that the people who have problems with our
> software are the same people who have problems with copyright, this is an
> extremely bad way to tackle this (admittedly large) problem.
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> From: Fredrik Josefsson <fred_chessplayer at yahoo.se>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
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> --- Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com> skrev:
>
>> 2007/1/4, David Monniaux <David.Monniaux at free.fr>:
>> >
>> > Fredrik Josefsson a ?crit :
>> > > I do think that if we want to develop this free
>> stuff concept, our
>> > > software needs to be more user friendly.
>> Wikipedia is getting big, but
>> > > it is still too complicated for ordinary people
>> to do things that
>> > > should be simple, such as uploading files.
>
>> > This is not necessarily a bad thing, since many
>> many people out there
>> > seem to have very inaccurate ideas of copyright
>> and other issues related
>> > to images. This is not YouTube.
>> >
>>
>> Unless you give me evidence that the people who have
>> problems with our
>> software are the same people who have problems with
>> copyright, this is an
>> extremely bad way to tackle this (admittedly large)
>> problem.
>
> I was also surprised to see a reply implying that it
> would solve copyright problems to have a complicated
> interface. From what I've seen, even good intended
> contributors initially find it difficult to get
> everything right when they are uploading files.
>
> Fredrik
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:50:02 -0500
> From: "Gregory Maxwell" <gmaxwell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
> To: bawolff+wn at gmail.com, "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List"
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> Whomever uploaded is usually the author?
> On commons? What data is this claim based on?
>
> I wish it were true but I'm not sure that it is...
>
> On 12/30/06, bawolff <bawolff+wn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why not just edit stuff in the [[mediawiki:*]] namespace to make the
>> uploader field more prominent in the file history? Whomever uploaded
>> it is usually the author, and you don't need users to do the "right
>> thing" its automatic.
>>
>> -bawolff
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:02:41 +0100
> From: David Monniaux <David.Monniaux at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
> To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <commons-l at wikimedia.org>
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> Fredrik Josefsson wrote:
>
>>I was also surprised to see a reply implying that it
>>would solve copyright problems to have a complicated
>>interface. From what I've seen, even good intended
>>contributors initially find it difficult to get
>>everything right when they are uploading files.
>>
> I was referring to the claim that a bad user interface is the reason why
> the Foundation and others get requests for reuse of images or text.
>
> In my humble opinion, this has little to do with user interface and
> rather more to do with habits.
>
> People have been told to request permission from the web site before
> reusing content. Even though our page say that you can reuse content
> under the terms of <link to GFDL or CC or whatever>, people assume they
> must email those who run the site, that is, the Foundation.
>
> I don't see how rearranging the user interface will change anything to
> this. And I must say, the user interface at Flickr is even less clear
> with respect to image reuse rights.
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:09:19 +0000
> From: "David Gerard" <dgerard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Commons-l] UI design on image pages
> To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List" <commons-l at wikimedia.org>
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> On 04/01/07, David Monniaux <David.Monniaux at free.fr> wrote:
>
>> I was referring to the claim that a bad user interface is the reason why
>> the Foundation and others get requests for reuse of images or text.
>> In my humble opinion, this has little to do with user interface and
>> rather more to do with habits.
>
>
> No, in the case I was speaking of they knew it was a PD image scanned
> from a book, they were trying to track down a better copy. I said
> "well, the original uploader is the one with that." "Who's that on the
> page?" "See there?" "... no ..."
>
>
> - d.
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