<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Michael,<br><br></div>There is nothing wrong in Wiki Africa becoming a user group or thematic organization (which requires a legal structure). BTW....There is an existing chapter in South Africa (see <a href="http://wikimedia.org.za">http://wikimedia.org.za</a>) and you can't have multiple chapters in a country.<br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Isaac<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Muti Michael Etter-Phoya <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael.phoya@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.phoya@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Great job on the site Isla and co. Good to see all those WikiAfrica projects under one roof. The movt is growing. <div><br></div><div>Wiki Africa is too thick to be defined or bottled!<br><div><br></div><div>Personally I appreciate the thought but 'Wiki Africa user group' just does not sound right. Let us continue working towards Chapters, country usergroups, collaborations etc under the banner WikiAfrica, if that.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Peace!</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:37 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:african-wikimedians-request@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">african-wikimedians-request@<wbr>lists.wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send African-Wikimedians mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: Isaac Olatunde <<a href="mailto:reachout2isaac@gmail.com" target="_blank">reachout2isaac@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I mean "Wiki Africa User Group" is long overdue.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Isaac<br>
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On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Isaac Olatunde <<a href="mailto:reachout2isaac@gmail.com" target="_blank">reachout2isaac@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Hi Flo,<br>
><br>
> Thank you so much for your comprehensive clarification. I concur with you<br>
> per your elaborate explanation which is actually convincing.<br>
><br>
> At this point, I think "Wiki Africa" is long overdue!!!<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Isaac.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Florence Devouard <<a href="mailto:anthere@anthere.org" target="_blank">anthere@anthere.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Being bold here...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Africa Centre tried vaguely to claim intellectual property rights over<br>
>> the term when Isla stopped working there. It does not really make sense as<br>
>><br>
>> 1) the first one to use the term (and who made the logo I think) was<br>
>> Iolanda back in 2006. And back then, her project was a "lettera27<br>
>> Foundation project run in collaboration with Wikimedia Italia".<br>
>><br>
>> 2), The Africa Centre first got involved in a WikiAfrica project in ...<br>
>> 2011, with Isla.<br>
>><br>
>> So from an anteriority perspective... their claim can simply not make it.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 3) Several projects which run under that banner never involved Africa<br>
>> Centre. For example WikiFundi was never related to them. And has been<br>
>> clearly called a WikiAfrica project since its inception.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> So if they felt they had a ground... they would complain. Which they do<br>
>> not. I am not aware they object to anything at the moment.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Actually, Africa Center considered making a grant request to WMF a few<br>
>> months ago. I think for an education project. But I did not see any project<br>
>> grant from them the last two sessions, so I guess they finally decided<br>
>> otherwise.<br>
>><br>
>> I think... it is normal that Africa Centre use its legacy and show what<br>
>> they have done in the past. I do not think they have run ANY WikiAfrica<br>
>> project since Isla left. At least, I am not aware of any and there is<br>
>> nothing new on their website. But, what was done under Africe Centre banner<br>
>> is part of their legacy. And that's a non profit organization that needs to<br>
>> show what it has done to get funding for other projects. So WikiAfrica is<br>
>> one of their programmes..<br>
>><br>
>> -------<br>
>><br>
>> I would not say WikiAfrica is a program. That's a set of initiatives led<br>
>> in the wiki world, to improve production and availability of free knowledge<br>
>> about Africa and Africa participation. In my view, that's a UserGroup. And<br>
>> we probably should create an official one at some point. But that's the<br>
>> concept.<br>
>><br>
>> I think it is complementary to what the chapters and usergroup do in the<br>
>> sense that it is cross-countries.<br>
>> For example, a few days ago, some people decided to kick start a "education-focused<br>
>> User Group". There are education programmes in every chapter basically...<br>
>> the User Group will just be a "transversal" thing.<br>
>> There is also a WikiWomen UserGroup (<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi</a><br>
>> ki/WikiWomen%27s_User_Group). And there are projects women related in<br>
>> many chapters as well.<br>
>><br>
>> Who owns WikiAfrica ? Well, no one. Maybe we should ask for a<br>
>> trademark... but really... I am not sure why we should bother.<br>
>><br>
>> If one of you guys want to start a WikiAfrica project (the missing<br>
>> tile...), just move on and do it. But if the project is going to be run in<br>
>> only ONE country, it is probably better to do it within your country<br>
>> UserGroup or Chapter. If the project is cross-country... WikiAfrica makes<br>
>> sense.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> (if needed, I am sure Isla or I can have other ideas for that nemissingw<br>
>> tile... we can also make an entire NEW ROW ! Trust that part)<br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> To go back to the Africa Center question... I see no problem for them to<br>
>> run projects under the WikiAfrica banner...<br>
>> * as long as they do not claim they own the whole stuff...<br>
>> * as long as they do not claim they managed all the WikiAfrica<br>
>> projects...<br>
>> * as long as they do not prevent others to run projects under this<br>
>> banner...<br>
>> * as long as the projects are within values and rules consistant to what<br>
>> wikimedians would consider the "right thing" (such as free licence outcome<br>
>> etc.)<br>
>><br>
>> If they start a new project within this framework... that can be the<br>
>> missing tile ;)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The last projects we run, we did so with other hosts and partners<br>
>> (Wikimedia CH, Ynternet.org and Goethe Institute in particular). We may run<br>
>> future ones under the newborn Wiki in Africa association. We may also run<br>
>> them with the Kiwix association. Who knows !!!!<br>
>><br>
>> We thought important to have a place to showcase those projects as a<br>
>> whole. We also thought important to acknowledge the role each of those<br>
>> hosts and partners have played. Africa Centre certainly played an important<br>
>> part there and it is important that its role and involvement be recognised.<br>
>> But it is one amongst others. As displayed here :<br>
>> <a href="http://www.wikiafrica.org/category/wikiafrica-is-hosted-and-supported-by/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.wikiafrica.org/cate<wbr>gory/wikiafrica-is-hosted-and-<wbr>supported-by/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Flo<br>
>><br>
>> Le 09/06/2017 à 13:23, Isaac Olatunde a écrit :<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you, Isla.<br>
>><br>
>> My understanding of your comment is that "Wiki Africa" is an intellectual<br>
>> property of Flo, Lopenza and you and Africa Center do not have any control<br>
>> over it. Correct? Per the claim here, <<a href="http://www.africacentre.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.africacentre.net/</a>> do<br>
>> you think Africa Center is mistaken? or they are in fact, correct (i.e it's<br>
>> their program, they owns it?<br>
>><br>
>> Let me know if you wish to discuss off-list.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Isaac<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Isla Haddow-Flood <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:isla@wikiloveswomen.org" target="_blank">isla@wikiloveswomen.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> It is on a wordpress site is there a problem with it Rexford?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 08 Jun 2017, at 22:32, Nkansah Rexford <<a href="mailto:seanmavley@gmail.com" target="_blank">seanmavley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Is there any chance the website could use a WordPress theme instead of<br>
>>> this custom made one?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Something similar along the lines of what was used for the<br>
>>> wikilovesafrica website?<br>
>>><br>
>>> rexford<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017, Isla Haddow Flood <<a href="mailto:isla@wikiloveswomen.org" target="_blank">isla@wikiloveswomen.org</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hello<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> After a lot of time and effort, we are VERY pleased to announce the<br>
>>>> launch for the WikiAfrica.org website. <a href="http://www.wikiafrica.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.wikiafrica.org</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The website has been completely revamped in order to give due credit to<br>
>>>> all the members of the moment - including sponsors, hosts and, of course,<br>
>>>> to showcase the projects. Please feel free to look through the website and<br>
>>>> suggest changes or where you feel more information could be added. At the<br>
>>>> moment, the information is very sparse and is designed to lead people to<br>
>>>> investigate the projects in more depth via their own websites, or to get<br>
>>>> involved with the existing wikimedia chapters and affiliates.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We look forward to your feedback,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Isla and Florence<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *Isla Haddow-Flood*<br>
>>>> Co-project Manager<br>
>>>> Username: Islahaddow<br>
>>>><br>
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