<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I mean "Wiki Africa User Group" is long overdue.<br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Isaac<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Isaac Olatunde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reachout2isaac@gmail.com" target="_blank">reachout2isaac@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Flo,<br><br></div>Thank you so much for your comprehensive clarification. I concur with you per your elaborate explanation which is actually convincing.<br><br></div>At this point, I think "Wiki Africa" is long overdue!!!<br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Isaac.<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Florence Devouard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anthere@anthere.org" target="_blank">anthere@anthere.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Being bold here...</p>
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</p>
<p>Africa Centre tried vaguely to claim intellectual property rights
over the term when Isla stopped working there. It does not really
make sense as</p>
<p>1) the first one to use the term (and who made the logo I think)
was Iolanda back in 2006. And back then, <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">her project was
a "lettera27 Foundation project run in collaboration with
Wikimedia Italia". <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">2), The Africa Centre first got
involved in a WikiAfrica project in ... 2011, with Isla. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">So from an anteriority perspective...
their claim can simply not make it. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">3) Several projects which run under
that banner never involved Africa Centre. For example WikiFundi
was never related to them. And has been clearly called a
WikiAfrica project since its inception.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">So if they felt they had a ground...
they would complain. Which they do not. </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I am not aware they object to anything
at the moment. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Actually, Africa Center considered
making a grant request to WMF a few months ago. I think for an
education project. But I did not see any project grant from them
the last two sessions, so I guess they finally decided
otherwise. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I think... it is normal that Africa
Centre use its legacy and show what they have done in the past.
I do not think they have run ANY WikiAfrica project since Isla
left. At least, I am not aware of any and there is nothing new
on their website. But, what was done under Africe Centre banner
is part of their legacy. And that's a non profit organization
that needs to show what it has done to get funding for other
projects. So WikiAfrica is one of their programmes..<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">-------<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I would not say WikiAfrica is a
program. That's a set of initiatives led in the wiki world, to
improve production and availability of free knowledge about
Africa and Africa participation. In my view, that's a UserGroup.
And we probably should create an official one at some point. But
that's the concept. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">
I think it is complementary to what the chapters and usergroup
do in the sense that it is cross-countries. </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
</span>For example, a few days ago, some people decided to kick
start a </span>"education-focused User Group". There are
education programmes in every chapter basically... the User Group
will just be a "transversal" thing. <br>
There is also a WikiWomen UserGroup
(<a class="m_-1888129411071443124m_428440173085834719moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_User_Group" target="_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi<wbr>ki/WikiWomen%27s_User_Group</a>). And
there are projects women related in many chapters as well. <br>
</p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Who owns WikiAfrica ? Well, no one.
Maybe we should ask for a trademark... but really... I am not
sure why we should bother.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> If one of you guys want to start a
WikiAfrica project (the missing tile...), just move on and do
it. But if the project is going to be run in only ONE country,
it is probably better to do it within your country UserGroup or
Chapter. If the project is cross-country... WikiAfrica makes
sense. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">(if needed, I am sure Isla or I can
have other ideas for that nemissingw tile... we can also make an
entire NEW ROW ! Trust that part)<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">-------</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">To go back to the Africa Center
question... I see no problem for them to run projects under the
WikiAfrica banner... <br>
* as long as they do not claim they own the whole stuff... <br>
* as long as they do not claim they managed all the WikiAfrica
projects... <br>
* as long as they do not prevent others to run projects under
this banner... <br>
* as long as the projects are within values and rules consistant
to what wikimedians would consider the "right thing" (such as
free licence outcome etc.)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">If they start a new project within
this framework... that can be the missing tile ;)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">The last projects we run, we did so
with other hosts and partners (Wikimedia CH, Ynternet.org and
Goethe Institute in particular). We may run future ones under
the newborn Wiki in Africa association. We may also run them
with the Kiwix association. Who knows !!!!<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">We thought important to have a place
to showcase those projects as a whole. We also thought important
to acknowledge the role each of those hosts and partners have
played. Africa Centre certainly played an important part there
and it is important that its role and involvement be recognised.
But it is one amongst others. As displayed here :
<a class="m_-1888129411071443124m_428440173085834719moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wikiafrica.org/category/wikiafrica-is-hosted-and-supported-by/" target="_blank">http://www.wikiafrica.org/cate<wbr>gory/wikiafrica-is-hosted-and-<wbr>supported-by/</a><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><br>
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<div>Thank you, Isla.<br>
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My understanding of your comment is that "Wiki Africa" is an
intellectual property of Flo, Lopenza and you and Africa
Center do not have any control over it. Correct? Per the claim
<a href="http://www.africacentre.net/" target="_blank">here,</a> do you think Africa Center
is mistaken? or they are in fact, correct (i.e it's their
program, they owns it?<br>
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<div>Let me know if you wish to discuss off-list.<br>
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<div>Regards,<br>
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<div>Isaac<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Isla
Haddow-Flood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isla@wikiloveswomen.org" target="_blank">isla@wikiloveswomen.org</a>></span>
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<div>It is on a wordpress site is there a problem with it
Rexford?<br>
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Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone. </div>
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On 08 Jun 2017, at 22:32, Nkansah Rexford <<a href="mailto:seanmavley@gmail.com" target="_blank">seanmavley@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Is there any chance the website could use a
WordPress theme instead of this custom made one?
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<div>Something similar along the lines of what was
used for the wikilovesafrica website?</div>
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On Thursday, June 8, 2017, Isla Haddow Flood
<<a href="mailto:isla@wikiloveswomen.org" target="_blank">isla@wikiloveswomen.org</a>>
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<div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word">Hello
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<span>After a lot of time and effort, we
are VERY pleased to announce the launch
for the <a href="http://WikiAfrica.org" target="_blank">WikiAfrica.org</a>
website. </span><a href="http://www.wikiafrica.org" target="_blank">www.wikiafrica.org</a><span> <br>
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<div>The website has been completely
revamped in order to give due credit to
all the members of the moment -
including sponsors, hosts and, of
course, to showcase the projects. Please
feel free to look through the website
and suggest changes or where you feel
more information could be added. At the
moment, the information is very sparse
and is designed to lead people to
investigate the projects in more depth
via their own websites, or to get
involved with the existing wikimedia
chapters and affiliates. </div>
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<div>We look forward to your feedback, </div>
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<div>Isla and Florence</div>
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