[Advocacy Advisors] Mozilla Advocacy in Brussels

Fri Apr 24 04:59:33 UTC 2015

Dave, Rebecca-

Thanks for posting! Great to hear from you both, and great feedback on Discourse. I can’t speak for the public policy group since I’m no longer part of it, but the feedback will certainly inform the community engagement department’s experimentation.

Thanks-

Luis

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Luis Villa
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Wikimedia Foundation

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Dave Steer <daves at mozillafoundation.org>
wrote:

> Hi all -
> I recently joined the list. Since it's my first time emailing, I wanted to
> introduce myself -- I'm Dave Steer. I work on Policy & Advocacy at Mozilla.
> I'd be happy to answer any questions about our experience with Discourse.
> We're just getting started with the platform, so we are experimenting with
> different types of conversation to see what helps the policy & advocacy
> community the most.
> Our initial idea is to use Discourse in two ways: first, for people who
> applied to the Ford-Mozilla Open Web Fellows program to engage with NGOs on
> specific job and volunteer opportunities. We saw so many qualified people
> with tech skills that want to participate in policy during the application
> process and, with Discourse, we want to keep them engaged especially as
> many NGOs are looking for people with engineering backgrounds to advance
> their campaigns.
> We're also organizing by issue area. Our hypothesis is that email
> distribution lists are good, but threaded online discussions can be
> additive with more ongoing, nuanced discussions and organizing.
> Experience so far backs up everything that Bekka pointed out. Again, we're
> in the early stages (please join the conversation!) and happy to report out
> on what we're learning along the way.
> --Dave
> _________
> Dave Steer
> Director, Advocacy
> Mozilla Foundation
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> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Rebecca Kahn <bekka at p2pu.org> wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> We've been using Discourse for a while at P2PU
>> <http://community.p2pu.org/>, in various deployments ( discussion space
>> for online courses, as a replacement for mailing lists) and have found
>> several things:
>>
>>    - It's kind of like the Linux of community management. It takes some
>>    work to install and set up properly, and needs a degree of ongoing
>>    gardening-care.
>>    - It is a slow-burn community building tool because there is quite a
>>    high bar to entry and initial engagement (you have to earn a degree of
>>    trust permissions in order to participate)
>>    - On the plus side (and this is a big plus) it's great at filtering
>>    out bad stuff.
>>    - However, it's also hard to surface good stuff.
>>    - Overall, it's fantastic for smaller, highly engaged conversations,
>>    and it actively discourages shallow, large scale conversations
>>
>> If anyone has any more questions about Discourse as a community management
>> tool, let me know, I'm busy writing a report on our deployment of it for a
>> P2PU / Mozilla OER project and am happy to try and answer any questions...
>>
>> Bekka
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 April 2015 at 09:53, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Luis
>>>
>>> I would be happy to try this platform and perhaps this group can be one
>>> of the first use cases. The current issue I see with this mailing list is
>>> that is makes it very hard for newcomers to catch up. The issue I have with
>>> Meta is that it doesn't really appeal to non-wiki/non-techie crowds.
>>>
>>> Dimi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-04-21 17:37 GMT+02:00 Luis Villa <lvilla at wikimedia.org>:
>>>
>>>> I'm curious to hear what people think of the use of Discourse (
>>>> http://www.discourse.org/) in this use case; I've been keeping an eye
>>>> on that project for a long time and think it might be interesting for some
>>>> of our discussion forums once their support for email <-> forum bridges
>>>> matures.
>>>>
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Yana Welinder <yana at wikimedia.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1.  We've also chatted with their policy team in San Francisco a
>>>>> little bit and they have interesting initiatives in the pipeline. They
>>>>> recently launched an online discussion space for internet policy that you
>>>>> may want to check out: https://discourse.mozilla-advocacy.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Yana
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Stevie Benton <
>>>>> stevie.benton at wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dimi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is excellent news. I've done some work with Gervase in the past,
>>>>>> including recently in some copyright workshops with Open Rights Group. He's
>>>>>> really smart and I think he will be an excellent ally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stevie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 April 2015 at 14:21, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>>>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, everybody!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me and Karl just had a meeting with Mozilla's Jochai (San Francisco
>>>>>>> based) and Gervase (UK based and on this list). Mozilla will very quickly
>>>>>>> get active in Brussels hiring a full-time representative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their policy goals will be published soon and are centred around "not
>>>>>>> breaking the internet" and copyright, with a focus on goals such as having
>>>>>>> an "open norm" (i.e. fair use), an audiovisual citation exception and
>>>>>>> fighting against linking liability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're also likely to experience similar organisational challenges, as
>>>>>>> they're also looking into a way to ensure a coherent message and strategy
>>>>>>> and involve their volunteer community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally am excited that we'll have another advocate for
>>>>>>> free&open things on the ground here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Dimi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Sr. Director of Community Engagement
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