[Advocacy Advisors] Mozilla Advocacy in Brussels

Wed Apr 22 08:03:55 UTC 2015

Hi All

We've been using Discourse for a while at P2PU <http://community.p2pu.org/>,
in various deployments ( discussion space for online courses, as a
replacement for mailing lists) and have found several things:

   - It's kind of like the Linux of community management. It takes some
   work to install and set up properly, and needs a degree of ongoing
   gardening-care.
   - It is a slow-burn community building tool because there is quite a
   high bar to entry and initial engagement (you have to earn a degree of
   trust permissions in order to participate)
   - On the plus side (and this is a big plus) it's great at filtering out
   bad stuff.
   - However, it's also hard to surface good stuff.
   - Overall, it's fantastic for smaller, highly engaged conversations, and
   it actively discourages shallow, large scale conversations

If anyone has any more questions about Discourse as a community management
tool, let me know, I'm busy writing a report on our deployment of it for a
P2PU / Mozilla OER project and am happy to try and answer any questions...

Bekka

On 22 April 2015 at 09:53, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Luis
>
> I would be happy to try this platform and perhaps this group can be one of
> the first use cases. The current issue I see with this mailing list is that
> is makes it very hard for newcomers to catch up. The issue I have with Meta
> is that it doesn't really appeal to non-wiki/non-techie crowds.
>
> Dimi
>
>
>
>
> 2015-04-21 17:37 GMT+02:00 Luis Villa <lvilla at wikimedia.org>:
>
>> I'm curious to hear what people think of the use of Discourse (
>> http://www.discourse.org/) in this use case; I've been keeping an eye on
>> that project for a long time and think it might be interesting for some of
>> our discussion forums once their support for email <-> forum bridges
>> matures.
>>
>> Luis
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Yana Welinder <yana at wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1.  We've also chatted with their policy team in San Francisco a little
>>> bit and they have interesting initiatives in the pipeline. They recently
>>> launched an online discussion space for internet policy that you may want
>>> to check out: https://discourse.mozilla-advocacy.org
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Yana
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Stevie Benton <
>>> stevie.benton at wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dimi,
>>>>
>>>> This is excellent news. I've done some work with Gervase in the past,
>>>> including recently in some copyright workshops with Open Rights Group. He's
>>>> really smart and I think he will be an excellent ally.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Stevie
>>>>
>>>> On 21 April 2015 at 14:21, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, everybody!
>>>>>
>>>>> Me and Karl just had a meeting with Mozilla's Jochai (San Francisco
>>>>> based) and Gervase (UK based and on this list). Mozilla will very quickly
>>>>> get active in Brussels hiring a full-time representative.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their policy goals will be published soon and are centred around "not
>>>>> breaking the internet" and copyright, with a focus on goals such as having
>>>>> an "open norm" (i.e. fair use), an audiovisual citation exception and
>>>>> fighting against linking liability.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're also likely to experience similar organisational challenges, as
>>>>> they're also looking into a way to ensure a coherent message and strategy
>>>>> and involve their volunteer community.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally am excited that we'll have another advocate for free&open
>>>>> things on the ground here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dimi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Luis Villa
>> Sr. Director of Community Engagement
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