I suppose you've figured out that I don't know how to write citations.
Subtract -1 from N for all [N] in the body. :-) -S.
On 04/05/2016 11:41 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We would like to let you know that Kunal (User:Legoktm for those who
> don’t already know) is moving inside the Editing Department from the
> Collaboration Team to the Parsing Team.
>
> The Collaboration team is grateful for Kunal’s great work over the
> past year, especially on the backend for cross-wiki notifications.
> Prior to that, Kunal spent two years working on SUL finalization,
> without which a feature like cross-wiki notifications would not have
> been possible.
>
> The Parsing team is very happy to have Kunal join them. Kunal is
> really interested to work on implementing shadow namespaces [2] which
> enables wikis to specify fallback wikis for pages that don’t resolve
> on the local wiki. Among other things, this could enable creation of
> global repositories for templates, for example, which interests us
> greatly.
>
> There is this little detail of Kunal being a nominee for
> affiliate-selected board seats [3] and what happens if he gets elected
> [4]. We will cross that bridge when we get there. :-)
>
> Trevor, Subbu, Roan.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominat…
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Questio…
>
I wish there were a Legoktm Team within the Legoktm Department
Il 05/04/2016 18:41, Subramanya Sastry ha scritto:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We would like to let you know that Kunal (User:Legoktm for those who
> don’t already know) is moving inside the Editing Department from the
> Collaboration Team to the Parsing Team.
>
> The Collaboration team is grateful for Kunal’s great work over the
> past year, especially on the backend for cross-wiki notifications.
> Prior to that, Kunal spent two years working on SUL finalization,
> without which a feature like cross-wiki notifications would not have
> been possible.
>
> The Parsing team is very happy to have Kunal join them. Kunal is
> really interested to work on implementing shadow namespaces [2] which
> enables wikis to specify fallback wikis for pages that don’t resolve
> on the local wiki. Among other things, this could enable creation of
> global repositories for templates, for example, which interests us
> greatly.
>
> There is this little detail of Kunal being a nominee for
> affiliate-selected board seats [3] and what happens if he gets elected
> [4]. We will cross that bridge when we get there. :-)
>
> Trevor, Subbu, Roan.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominat…
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Questio…
>
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You mean subtract 1, or add -1
Il 05/04/2016 18:53, Subramanya Sastry ha scritto:
>
> I suppose you've figured out that I don't know how to write citations.
> Subtract -1 from N for all [N] in the body. :-) -S.
>
> On 04/05/2016 11:41 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We would like to let you know that Kunal (User:Legoktm for those who
>> don’t already know) is moving inside the Editing Department from the
>> Collaboration Team to the Parsing Team.
>>
>> The Collaboration team is grateful for Kunal’s great work over the
>> past year, especially on the backend for cross-wiki notifications.
>> Prior to that, Kunal spent two years working on SUL finalization,
>> without which a feature like cross-wiki notifications would not have
>> been possible.
>>
>> The Parsing team is very happy to have Kunal join them. Kunal is
>> really interested to work on implementing shadow namespaces [2] which
>> enables wikis to specify fallback wikis for pages that don’t resolve
>> on the local wiki. Among other things, this could enable creation of
>> global repositories for templates, for example, which interests us
>> greatly.
>>
>> There is this little detail of Kunal being a nominee for
>> affiliate-selected board seats [3] and what happens if he gets
>> elected [4]. We will cross that bridge when we get there. :-)
>>
>> Trevor, Subbu, Roan.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
>> [2]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominat…
>> [3]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Questio…
>>
>
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I just closed the request as successful. Congrats Danny!
- -- Legoktm
On 2020-05-14 14:28, Danny S wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Per policy[1], I'd like to inform you that I have been nominated[2]
> for +2 rights for mediawiki/*.
>
> Stay safe, -DannyS712
>
> [1]
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Privilege_policy#Requesting_Gerr
it_privileges
>
>
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252811
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Congrats! Well deserved.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 12:34 AM Kunal Mehta <legoktm(a)debian.org> wrote:
> With a unanimous consensus, I have granted Majavah +2 rights. Congrats!
>
> -- Legoktm
>
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On 04/08/2016 05:14 AM, Ricordisamoa wrote:
> You mean subtract 1, or add -1
*facepalm* :-)
>
> Il 05/04/2016 18:53, Subramanya Sastry ha scritto:
>>
>> I suppose you've figured out that I don't know how to write
>> citations. Subtract -1 from N for all [N] in the body. :-) -S.
>>
>> On 04/05/2016 11:41 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> We would like to let you know that Kunal (User:Legoktm for those who
>>> don’t already know) is moving inside the Editing Department from the
>>> Collaboration Team to the Parsing Team.
>>>
>>> The Collaboration team is grateful for Kunal’s great work over the
>>> past year, especially on the backend for cross-wiki notifications.
>>> Prior to that, Kunal spent two years working on SUL finalization,
>>> without which a feature like cross-wiki notifications would not have
>>> been possible.
>>>
>>> The Parsing team is very happy to have Kunal join them. Kunal is
>>> really interested to work on implementing shadow namespaces [2]
>>> which enables wikis to specify fallback wikis for pages that don’t
>>> resolve on the local wiki. Among other things, this could enable
>>> creation of global repositories for templates, for example, which
>>> interests us greatly.
>>>
>>> There is this little detail of Kunal being a nominee for
>>> affiliate-selected board seats [3] and what happens if he gets
>>> elected [4]. We will cross that bridge when we get there. :-)
>>>
>>> Trevor, Subbu, Roan.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
>>> [2]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominat…
>>> [3]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Questio…
>>>
>>
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Am 06.10.2022 um 08:52 schrieb Linh Nguyen:
> Kunal,
> I hear you but we only have 3 people who actually put the effort into
> applying for the position. We are appointing people who are at least trying
> to help. If you want to help in the process please feel free to put your name
> on the list.
The original mail doesn't really make it clear what impact one might have by
joining, or what would be expected of a member. Asking people to click a link
for details loses most of the audience already.
One thing that has worked pretty well in the past when we were looking for
people to join TechCom was to ask for nominations, rather than volunteers. We'd
then reach out to the people who were nominated, and asked them if they were
interested. Self-nominations were of course also fine.
Another thing that might work is to directly approach active volunteer
contributors to production code. There really aren't so many really active ones.
Ten, maybe.
--
Daniel Kinzler
Principal Software Engineer, Platform Engineering
Wikimedia Foundation
(Sorry to "hijack" the thread, I am not personally involved in TDF but
since I was the original "messenger", I'm interested in learning more about
Daniel's POV.
The original email linked to
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_decision_making/Community_represen…
.
While I'm well aware that info a click away is not optimal, I'm definitely
more against walls of text that may be hard to understand for non-native
readers.
That page was marked for translation instead, and among other things, it
offered exactly the process you are describing, and the second email asked
specifically for recommendations.
We had /also/ asked for recs to a few dozens colleagues, and none of the
people pinged gave their availability.
Interested to hear what could have been done differently.)
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 1:06 PM Daniel Kinzler <dkinzler(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Am 06.10.2022 um 08:52 schrieb Linh Nguyen:
>
> Kunal,
> I hear you but we only have 3 people who actually put the effort into
> applying for the position. We are appointing people who are at least
> trying to help. If you want to help in the process please feel free to put
> your name on the list.
>
> The original mail doesn't really make it clear what impact one might have
> by joining, or what would be expected of a member. Asking people to click a
> link for details loses most of the audience already.
>
> One thing that has worked pretty well in the past when we were looking for
> people to join TechCom was to ask for nominations, rather than volunteers.
> We'd then reach out to the people who were nominated, and asked them if
> they were interested. Self-nominations were of course also fine.
>
> Another thing that might work is to directly approach active volunteer
> contributors to production code. There really aren't so many really active
> ones. Ten, maybe.
>
> --
> Daniel Kinzler
> Principal Software Engineer, Platform Engineering
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
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Wikimedia Foundation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Elitre_(WMF)>
Erica,
There are a lot of emails on this list and Wikimedia-l starting with "you
can find translations of this announcement on meta". I think this is a very
effective way to indicate translations where needed, while keeping the
announcement in a single place. Sending us to a link feels like the catchy
press titles: "you won't believe what's happening! Click here to find out!"
Second, as much as we want to be multilingual, participating in the
technical community without some command of English is basically
impossible. In that respect, the technical audience is not the same as a
general Wikimedia audience.
My 2c,
Strainu
Pe luni, 10 octombrie 2022, Erica Litrenta <elitrenta(a)wikimedia.org> a
scris:
> (Sorry to "hijack" the thread, I am not personally involved in TDF but
since I was the original "messenger", I'm interested in learning more about
Daniel's POV.
> The original email linked to
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_decision_making/Community_represen…
.
> While I'm well aware that info a click away is not optimal, I'm
definitely more against walls of text that may be hard to understand for
non-native readers.
> That page was marked for translation instead, and among other things, it
offered exactly the process you are describing, and the second email asked
specifically for recommendations.
> We had /also/ asked for recs to a few dozens colleagues, and none of the
people pinged gave their availability.
> Interested to hear what could have been done differently.)
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 1:06 PM Daniel Kinzler <dkinzler(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>>
>> Am 06.10.2022 um 08:52 schrieb Linh Nguyen:
>>
>> Kunal,
>> I hear you but we only have 3 people who actually put the effort into
applying for the position. We are appointing people who are at least
trying to help. If you want to help in the process please feel free to put
your name on the list.
>>
>> The original mail doesn't really make it clear what impact one might
have by joining, or what would be expected of a member. Asking people to
click a link for details loses most of the audience already.
>>
>> One thing that has worked pretty well in the past when we were looking
for people to join TechCom was to ask for nominations, rather than
volunteers. We'd then reach out to the people who were nominated, and asked
them if they were interested. Self-nominations were of course also fine.
>>
>> Another thing that might work is to directly approach active volunteer
contributors to production code. There really aren't so many really active
ones. Ten, maybe.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kinzler
>> Principal Software Engineer, Platform Engineering
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
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>
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>
> Senior Manager, Community Relations Specialists (Product)
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
So i think you would want a compromise approach with the email. Having the
email be 20 pages long would be bad, but its still possible to have more of
a "hook" without turning it into a massive wall of text.
That said, i think the lack of details in the email is not the main problem
here.
To attract candidates you basically have to answer the following questions:
* what exactly would candidates be doing, practically speaking? The process
is very opaque from the outside, and most people aren't going to sign up
for it blind.
* why does the committee want community members. What value does it hope to
get from us?
** more specificly, to put it bluntly, are we being used as tokens to give
the appearence of community consultation, or are people legitametely
interested in what we have to say? Quite frankly, the current appointments
of an anon, or listing fandom as a "volunteer organization" does feel a bit
dehumanizing, as if the committee doesn't care who the community
representitives are, as long as they can check that box.
* What do committee members get out of the process? Just because we are
volunteers, doesn't mean we do things purely out of the goodness of our
hearts.
These questions weren't really answered anywhere, which i expect reduced
interest.
For me personally, some other factors that came to mind:
* This is a committee of like 40 people. I've never seen a group of more
than 5 people that is actually useful. Its unclear why you would want a
committee of half the world, instead of just an open comment period
(actually i suspect the answer is to force wmf staff to actually
participate by having a directly responsible individual, but this approach
doesn't mesh well with the community)
* opinions of people currently on the committee seem quite mixed. Some are
positive, but some are very negative. When WMF staff behind closed doors
describe there experience on the committee in such negative terms, it
really puts a damper on enthusiasm.
* the opaqueness of the committee makes it unclear how feedback is actually
taken and used. There is an underlying fear that the committee is a long
winded process where decisions that have already been made get a rubber
stamp of approval regardless of any feedback brought up.
* inconsistent updates and response to feedback on wiki make the committee
look dead. This puts a damper on interest.
--
Brian
On Monday, October 10, 2022, Erica Litrenta <elitrenta(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> (Sorry to "hijack" the thread, I am not personally involved in TDF but
> since I was the original "messenger", I'm interested in learning more about
> Daniel's POV.
> The original email linked to https://www.mediawiki.org/
> wiki/Technical_decision_making/Community_representation .
> While I'm well aware that info a click away is not optimal, I'm definitely
> more against walls of text that may be hard to understand for non-native
> readers.
> That page was marked for translation instead, and among other things, it
> offered exactly the process you are describing, and the second email asked
> specifically for recommendations.
> We had /also/ asked for recs to a few dozens colleagues, and none of the
> people pinged gave their availability.
> Interested to hear what could have been done differently.)
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 1:06 PM Daniel Kinzler <dkinzler(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Am 06.10.2022 um 08:52 schrieb Linh Nguyen:
>>
>> Kunal,
>> I hear you but we only have 3 people who actually put the effort into
>> applying for the position. We are appointing people who are at least
>> trying to help. If you want to help in the process please feel free to put
>> your name on the list.
>>
>> The original mail doesn't really make it clear what impact one might have
>> by joining, or what would be expected of a member. Asking people to click a
>> link for details loses most of the audience already.
>>
>> One thing that has worked pretty well in the past when we were looking
>> for people to join TechCom was to ask for nominations, rather than
>> volunteers. We'd then reach out to the people who were nominated, and asked
>> them if they were interested. Self-nominations were of course also fine.
>>
>> Another thing that might work is to directly approach active volunteer
>> contributors to production code. There really aren't so many really active
>> ones. Ten, maybe.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kinzler
>> Principal Software Engineer, Platform Engineering
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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>> lists.wikimedia.org/
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
> Erica Litrenta (she/her)
>
> Senior Manager, Community Relations Specialists (Product)
>
> Wikimedia Foundation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Elitre_(WMF)>
>
>