The screenshot shows that the person is using Chrome so I don't think the
IE point stands here.
The ads also seem to be intermittent, my friend cannot see them anymore.
Usage of https may resolve the problem, but looking for a solution with the
normal Wikipedia may be necessary as several people wouldn't want to bother
with using https.
Regards
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:56 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> It would good to know whether using https instead of http stops the ad
> injection. I'm not sure that it will help.
>
> To help find the problem, we need to know what Internet Explorer
> add-ons have been installed on their computer.
>
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3892/manage-and-troubleshoot-addons-in-inter…
>
> Recommend using Firefox or Chrome instead of Internet Explorer. ;-)
>
> here is someone showing an ad injector working on Wikipedia in Internet
> Explorer
>
> http://ipensatori.com/?p=521
> (date : March 13th, 2012)
>
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I think we should now recommend increased use of the secure server
> > link for browsing wikipedia. Hopefully that will help.
> >
> > Ashwin
> >
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> A friend of mine found similar ads inserted (screenshot attached). I've
> >> asked her to run malware tests and an extension check.
> >>
> >> She also tweeted those dreaded words 'Wikipedia now has ads!'
> >>
> >> This can become quite an issue if the press gets hold of it.
> >>
> >> Any resolutions on the horizon?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM, nischay nahata <nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Philippe,
> >>>
> >>> I would personally try to find out the extension and look into the HTML
> >>> code it plays with but that will take a while (I am busy for few days
> and we
> >>> have to see if the Ad shows up again). I will reply back in this
> thread as
> >>> soon as I have something that can help.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Philippe Beaudette
> >>> <philippe(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Nischay,
> >>>>
> >>>> We're looking into this one. If your friend can spot the extension
> and
> >>>> send us relevant code, it would be helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> pb
> >>>> ___________________
> >>>> Philippe Beaudette
> >>>> Director, Community Advocacy
> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>> 415-839-6885, x 6643
> >>>>
> >>>> philippe(a)wikimedia.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, nischay nahata <nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of my friend also reported seeing Ads of Jabong on Wikipedia.
> Some
> >>>>> extension in the user's browser is most likely the source of
> injection for
> >>>>> such Ads. Finding out which extension(s) does this will be in good
> interest
> >>>>> of everyone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop(a)gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One can also see
> >>>>>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why_do_I_see_commercial_…
> >>>>>> for clarification.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Swaroop Rao
> >>>>>> (MikeLynch)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 23:09, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Business Insider gave a $5bn valuation to Wikipedia in 2010. So
> yeah,
> >>>>>>> that's a big market for spammers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> anirudh
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Ramesh N G <rameshng(a)gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I was really amazed on the discussion on the ads on the wikipedia.
> >>>>>>>> Looking at the snapshot, it could really some virus or adware.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Even this should not be the way the ads come to Wikipedia, though
> I
> >>>>>>>> personally never will support this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I strongly recommend the user to scan the PC for a virus, change
> >>>>>>>> browser and check. Also seen some discussion where multiple
> people has
> >>>>>>>> reported this issue.
> >>>>>>>> This means that Wikipedia being targeted by Viruses now!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> User:Rameshng
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> >>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Could be, but it wouldn't hurt to do a scan of your system and
> find
> >>>>>>>>> out if anything is wrong with it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
> >>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not the techie here, but I don't think its a malware on a
> >>>>>>>>>> system per se. Reason being being, two different people have
> experienced it,
> >>>>>>>>>> same ad also from different IP's, different locations though.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> >>>>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely Adware/Malware/Spyware/etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice in the Screenshot, it says Ads Not By This Site.
> >>>>>>>>>>> It should've been a clue.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Do scan your system with a good antivirus [Free or paid doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> matter].
> >>>>>>>>>>> If your system is infected by anything, your data might be at
> >>>>>>>>>>> risk.
> >>>>>>>>>>> --Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
> >>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just saw that screenshot and remembered, even my friend
> said,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it was by the same site, inkfruit. Some common issue??
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, now that you mention him, even a friend of mine in Pune
> told
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> me that Wikipedia had started ads, to which I dared him to
> show me and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact made a bet. He failed to show me when I asked him to,
> so I took it as a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> singular even, perhaps, some sort of mistake he made.
> However, since other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people have started seeing this, I though I'd tell you that
> he is not alone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask him further details about his net connection and get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to you guys on this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Sengupta
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting- a virus that injects ads directly into the DOM.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 19:03, Bala Jeyaraman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sodabottle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostprobably adware in his machine. A smiliar report in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portugese wikipedia is here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.o…
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Aditya Sengupta
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A friend got in touch with me about this. He is currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages
> except the home
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page). Here is a link to a screenshot:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These advertisements were not visible to him when I asked
> him
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check through the secure WM server. These
> advertisements are also not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible to him on any other web page. To the bottom right
> of each ad, there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is some text that says, "ads not by this site". I've
> taken a quick look
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the page source he forwarded, nothing looks
> untoward. His
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-click menu does not appear when he right-clicks on
> the ad.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata Teleservices
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maharashtra Ltd". His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or
> was, while he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessed this page; I've since had him change his IP
> address since I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing this one). I'm not sure if this issue is
> restricted to Mumbai; since
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IP address shows up in Pune when I try to geolocate
> it (though I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand this is fairly common).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is this:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CP…
> .
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm adding this here and copying the founder of Inkfruit
> since the campaign
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data in the URL parameters may help identify the problem
> (also, I'm not sure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've copied my friend here in case there are further
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions he could help answer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply malware
> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his machine? If it were the former, what would be the
> legal status of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
> >>>>>>>>>>> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
> >>>>>>>>>>> Toll Plaza.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
> >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
> >>>>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
> >>>>>>>>> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
> Toll
> >>>>>>>>> Plaza.
> >>>>>>>>>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> With Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nischay Nahata
> >>>>> B.tech 3rd year
> >>>>> Department of Information Technology
> >>>>> NITK,Surathkal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> With Regards
> >>>
> >>> Nischay Nahata
> >>> B.tech 3rd year
> >>> Department of Information Technology
> >>> NITK,Surathkal
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Srikeit Tadepalli
> >>
> >>
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> >
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Can someone share the link to the video, If its viewable now.
Thanks in advance,
Ade.
On 28 February 2012 06:13, Jessie Wild <jwild(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Great idea! The Brazilian community was thinking about doing something
> similar; I'm sure they could benefit in learning from your experimentations
> - be sure to document everything! :D
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
> psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lol, what's up with you Noopur, finally you let that Matt bumped into
>> India mailing list? :p
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2012 20:48, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just for some motivation and amusement, watch this: *Where the hell is
>>> Matt? *
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Noopur
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
>>> subha(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot Swaroop, We are expecting more inputs from you guys, and
>>>> please free to add/modify the questions wikipedians have to keep in mind (
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1). I have also
>>>> received responses from Pune and Ahemadabad communities. If you guys can
>>>> shoot some videos at the end of the meet ups as there will be a gathering
>>>> of wikipedians it will be good. We can make a prototype video to make the
>>>> Indic language communities understand the way they need to make this video.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Subha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Swaroop Rao
>>>>> (MikeLynch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch>)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 20:38, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me clear this confusion.
>>>>>> Dear Srikanth R, *please* attempt to read the ENTIRE mail. I suggested
>>>>>> recording in a popular format because converting and editing ogv is a
>>>>>> PAIN. And, it reduces video quality by two times.
>>>>>>
>>>>> +1 to that. OGV, for all its "openness", is a big pain to work on,
>>>>> especially for converting.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another thing, if we are to upload these videos to Commons,
>>>>>> *obviously* we will have to convert them to open formats. So, no one
>>>>>> is denying that. It is rather obvious and understood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now that we have cleared confusions, can the SIGs and guys
>>>>>> organizing meetups please raise hands? Will you guys be able to do
>>>>>> such recording?
>>>>>>
>>>>> *raises hand* I am willing to create such a video; I appreciate
>>>>> Subha's mail about what exactly to say, but it shouldn't be a boring,
>>>>> mechanical interview-style answering of questions. If it is to motivate
>>>>> others, it should be catchy (read ad-like).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi
>>>>>> <subha(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > Well, that's the whole point. The final file to be hosted for
>>>>>> public would
>>>>>> > be ogg and the backend work will involve raw file editing collected
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> > different formats.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Konarak Ratnakar <
>>>>>> konarak.11(a)live.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of
>>>>>> .ogg
>>>>>> >> /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with
>>>>>> Matroska. Though
>>>>>> >> I'll convert the videos in .ogv.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>>> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> From: subha(a)wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >> To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video
>>>>>> of Indian
>>>>>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most
>>>>>> handy
>>>>>> >> cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once
>>>>>> you convert
>>>>>> >> raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because
>>>>>> normally the
>>>>>> >> final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in
>>>>>> >> Commons.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar <
>>>>>> konarak.11(a)live.com>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because
>>>>>> in .ogv
>>>>>> >> there is loss of quality due to compression.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb.
>>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>>> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530
>>>>>> >> From: subha(a)wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >> To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video
>>>>>> of Indian
>>>>>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian
>>>>>> >> Editors and Indian faces.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>>>>> >> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> And what about participation of the Indian English Community?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
>>>>>> subha(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
>>>>>> >> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft
>>>>>> for the
>>>>>> >> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia
>>>>>> Village pumps.
>>>>>> >> (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
>>>>>> >> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be
>>>>>> hardcore
>>>>>> >> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
>>>>>> >> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
>>>>>> >> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> >> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in
>>>>>> your place
>>>>>> >> from the community members.
>>>>>> >> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with
>>>>>> .ogv
>>>>>> >> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the
>>>>>> formats
>>>>>> >> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> >> .ogv.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>>>>> >> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Subha,
>>>>>> >> What about the Indian English Community?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Noopur,
>>>>>> >> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it
>>>>>> OGV.
>>>>>> >> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video
>>>>>> no?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Konark,
>>>>>> >> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ashwin,
>>>>>> >> Can I have a link please?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this
>>>>>> field
>>>>>> >> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made.
>>>>>> Imho
>>>>>> >> these efforts should be combined.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Warm regards,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar <
>>>>>> konarak.11(a)live.com>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > Hey,
>>>>>> >> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
>>>>>> >> > Konarak.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
>>>>>> >> >> From: noopur.raval(a)gmail.com
>>>>>> >> >> To: wikimedia-in-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org;
>>>>>> >> >> wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating
>>>>>> video of
>>>>>> >> >> Indian
>>>>>> >> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Hey Subhashish,
>>>>>> >> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of
>>>>>> recording
>>>>>> >> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
>>>>>> >> >> suggestions for community members:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself
>>>>>> >> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or a
>>>>>> group.
>>>>>> >> >> More than 1 is welcome
>>>>>> >> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in
>>>>>> room with
>>>>>> >> >> LESS noise and MORE light
>>>>>> >> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while
>>>>>> editing we
>>>>>> >> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
>>>>>> >> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone)
>>>>>> camera :P
>>>>>> >> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Cheers
>>>>>> >> >> Noopur
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi <subha(a)wikimedia.org>:
>>>>>> >> >> > Deal all,
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more
>>>>>> people apart
>>>>>> >> >> > from
>>>>>> >> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> >> >> > have
>>>>>> >> >> > need
>>>>>> >> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian
>>>>>> Wikipedians
>>>>>> >> >> > sharing
>>>>>> >> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE
>>>>>> >> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
>>>>>> >> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will create
>>>>>> impact
>>>>>> >> >> > among
>>>>>> >> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many
>>>>>> people use
>>>>>> >> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> >> >> > [Edit]
>>>>>> >> >> > it,
>>>>>> >> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>> >> >> > used
>>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>>> >> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> >> >> > there in
>>>>>> >> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> >> >> > feel
>>>>>> >> >> > it's
>>>>>> >> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real
>>>>>> Indians
>>>>>> >> >> > editing
>>>>>> >> >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> >> >> > definitely make this message clearer.
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in
>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>> >> >> > in
>>>>>> >> >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> >> > community
>>>>>> >> >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> >> >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> >> >> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many
>>>>>> people's
>>>>>> >> >> > footage as
>>>>>> >> >> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable
>>>>>> good. We
>>>>>> >> >> > will be
>>>>>> >> >> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post
>>>>>> production.
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> > Subha
>>>>>> >> >> > Community & Program Support, India Program
>>>>>> >> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >> >> > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list
>>>>>> >> >> > Wikimedia-in-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> --
>>>>>> >> >> Noopur Raval
>>>>>> >> >> Student
>>>>>> >> >> Arts and Aesthetics
>>>>>> >> >> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
>>>>>> >> >> Ph: 9650567690
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >> >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>>>>>> >> >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
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>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
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>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>>> >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>>>> >> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>>>>>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>>>> >> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
>>>>>> Toll Plaza.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>>> >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>>>> >> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>>>>>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>>>> >> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
>>>>>> Toll Plaza.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Noopur Raval
>>>>>> Student
>>>>>> Arts and Aesthetics
>>>>>> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
>>>>>> Ph: 9650567690
>>>>>>
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>> But, yes, that funny video has created so much of buzz!!
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Dear Ade,
We still have not created the video, we need the community members speak in
the video. The How to create this video could be answered at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1.
Jessie, will do that once we are get the footages..
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Adethya Sudarsanan
<adethyasjce(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> Can someone share the link to the video, If its viewable now.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ade.
>
> On 28 February 2012 06:13, Jessie Wild <jwild(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Great idea! The Brazilian community was thinking about doing something
>> similar; I'm sure they could benefit in learning from your experimentations
>> - be sure to document everything! :D
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
>> psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lol, what's up with you Noopur, finally you let that Matt bumped into
>>> India mailing list? :p
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 February 2012 20:48, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just for some motivation and amusement, watch this: *Where the hell is
>>>> Matt? *
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Noopur
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
>>>> subha(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot Swaroop, We are expecting more inputs from you guys, and
>>>>> please free to add/modify the questions wikipedians have to keep in mind (
>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1). I have also
>>>>> received responses from Pune and Ahemadabad communities. If you guys can
>>>>> shoot some videos at the end of the meet ups as there will be a gathering
>>>>> of wikipedians it will be good. We can make a prototype video to make the
>>>>> Indic language communities understand the way they need to make this video.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Subha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Swaroop Rao
>>>>>> (MikeLynch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 20:38, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me clear this confusion.
>>>>>>> Dear Srikanth R, *please* attempt to read the ENTIRE mail. I
>>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>>> recording in a popular format because converting and editing ogv is a
>>>>>>> PAIN. And, it reduces video quality by two times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 to that. OGV, for all its "openness", is a big pain to work on,
>>>>>> especially for converting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another thing, if we are to upload these videos to Commons,
>>>>>>> *obviously* we will have to convert them to open formats. So, no one
>>>>>>> is denying that. It is rather obvious and understood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So now that we have cleared confusions, can the SIGs and guys
>>>>>>> organizing meetups please raise hands? Will you guys be able to do
>>>>>>> such recording?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> *raises hand* I am willing to create such a video; I appreciate
>>>>>> Subha's mail about what exactly to say, but it shouldn't be a boring,
>>>>>> mechanical interview-style answering of questions. If it is to motivate
>>>>>> others, it should be catchy (read ad-like).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi
>>>>>>> <subha(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Well, that's the whole point. The final file to be hosted for
>>>>>>> public would
>>>>>>> > be ogg and the backend work will involve raw file editing
>>>>>>> collected in
>>>>>>> > different formats.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Konarak Ratnakar <
>>>>>>> konarak.11(a)live.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of
>>>>>>> .ogg
>>>>>>> >> /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with
>>>>>>> Matroska. Though
>>>>>>> >> I'll convert the videos in .ogv.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>>>> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> From: subha(a)wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >> To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video
>>>>>>> of Indian
>>>>>>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most
>>>>>>> handy
>>>>>>> >> cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once
>>>>>>> you convert
>>>>>>> >> raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because
>>>>>>> normally the
>>>>>>> >> final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> >> Commons.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar <
>>>>>>> konarak.11(a)live.com>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because
>>>>>>> in .ogv
>>>>>>> >> there is loss of quality due to compression.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb.
>>>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>>>> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530
>>>>>>> >> From: subha(a)wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >> To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video
>>>>>>> of Indian
>>>>>>> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about
>>>>>>> Indian
>>>>>>> >> Editors and Indian faces.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>>>>>> >> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> And what about participation of the Indian English Community?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
>>>>>>> subha(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Here are the answers I have to all of you.
>>>>>>> >> @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> >> community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia
>>>>>>> Village pumps.
>>>>>>> >> (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1)
>>>>>>> >> @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be
>>>>>>> hardcore
>>>>>>> >> outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.
>>>>>>> >> @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would
>>>>>>> >> definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we
>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>> >> more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in
>>>>>>> your place
>>>>>>> >> from the community members.
>>>>>>> >> @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with
>>>>>>> .ogv
>>>>>>> >> format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are
>>>>>>> the formats
>>>>>>> >> used before editing. After editing we will convert the final
>>>>>>> video into
>>>>>>> >> .ogv.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>>>>>> >> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Subha,
>>>>>>> >> What about the Indian English Community?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Noopur,
>>>>>>> >> Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it
>>>>>>> OGV.
>>>>>>> >> We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video
>>>>>>> no?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Konark,
>>>>>>> >> Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Ashwin,
>>>>>>> >> Can I have a link please?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Nitika & MikeLynch & some others have just begin working in this
>>>>>>> field
>>>>>>> >> and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made.
>>>>>>> Imho
>>>>>>> >> these efforts should be combined.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Warm regards,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar <
>>>>>>> konarak.11(a)live.com>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > Hey,
>>>>>>> >> > +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing).
>>>>>>> >> > Konarak.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530
>>>>>>> >> >> From: noopur.raval(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>> >> >> To: wikimedia-in-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org;
>>>>>>> >> >> wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating
>>>>>>> video of
>>>>>>> >> >> Indian
>>>>>>> >> >> Editors "We Edit Wikipedia"
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Hey Subhashish,
>>>>>>> >> >> I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of
>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>> >> >> such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some
>>>>>>> >> >> suggestions for community members:
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup
>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>> >> >> 2) It could be one single person saying "I edit wikipedia" or
>>>>>>> a group.
>>>>>>> >> >> More than 1 is welcome
>>>>>>> >> >> 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in
>>>>>>> room with
>>>>>>> >> >> LESS noise and MORE light
>>>>>>> >> >> 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while
>>>>>>> editing we
>>>>>>> >> >> don't have to convert and lose quality.
>>>>>>> >> >> 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone)
>>>>>>> camera :P
>>>>>>> >> >> Just try and minimize shaking.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Cheers
>>>>>>> >> >> Noopur
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi <subha(a)wikimedia.org>:
>>>>>>> >> >> > Deal all,
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> > As a part of helping the community to reach out to more
>>>>>>> people apart
>>>>>>> >> >> > from
>>>>>>> >> >> > the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support
>>>>>>> we also
>>>>>>> >> >> > have
>>>>>>> >> >> > need
>>>>>>> >> >> > for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian
>>>>>>> Wikipedians
>>>>>>> >> >> > sharing
>>>>>>> >> >> > their message "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" or "I EDIT AN INDIAN
>>>>>>> LANGUAGE
>>>>>>> >> >> > WIKIPEDIA" or
>>>>>>> >> >> > "WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE" will
>>>>>>> create impact
>>>>>>> >> >> > among
>>>>>>> >> >> > people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many
>>>>>>> people use
>>>>>>> >> >> > Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> >> >> > [Edit]
>>>>>>> >> >> > it,
>>>>>>> >> >> > social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video
>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>> >> >> > used
>>>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>>>> >> >> > reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are
>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>> >> >> > there in
>>>>>>> >> >> > Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> >> >> > feel
>>>>>>> >> >> > it's
>>>>>>> >> >> > project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real
>>>>>>> Indians
>>>>>>> >> >> > editing
>>>>>>> >> >> > Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language
>>>>>>> background will
>>>>>>> >> >> > definitely make this message clearer.
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> > If there is a fairly good no of community members located in
>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>> >> >> > in
>>>>>>> >> >> > India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> >> >> > community
>>>>>>> >> >> > members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> >> >> > speaking in their own language. I will be posting the
>>>>>>> details in the
>>>>>>> >> >> > community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many
>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>> >> >> > footage as
>>>>>>> >> >> > you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable
>>>>>>> good. We
>>>>>>> >> >> > will be
>>>>>>> >> >> > collecting footage from all the communities and do a post
>>>>>>> production.
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> > Subha
>>>>>>> >> >> > Community & Program Support, India Program
>>>>>>> >> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> >> >> > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list
>>>>>>> >> >> > Wikimedia-in-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> --
>>>>>>> >> >> Noopur Raval
>>>>>>> >> >> Student
>>>>>>> >> >> Arts and Aesthetics
>>>>>>> >> >> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
>>>>>>> >> >> Ph: 9650567690
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> >> >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>>>>>>> >> >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
>>>>>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
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>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>>>> >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>>>>> >> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>>>>>>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>>>>> >> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
>>>>>>> Toll Plaza.
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>>>>>>> >> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>>>>>>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>>>>> >> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
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*Subha*
*This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
[[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids",
who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast
semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.*
*
*
*- *First of all stop playing those policy games, before looking at
[[WP:COMPETENCE]] I would rather say to have a look at [[WP:DONTBITE]].
*But then, i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from a
"campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?. *
*
*
- Dude you are getting personal here, I respect you obsession with numbers
but the whole idea of a "campus ambassador" is to help others to edit,
instead of writing articles for edit count. You just took one number and
creating all the fuss but you ignored others like ...
Total Edits :705 (in last 5 months)
Article 49 7.09%
Talk 6 0.87%
*User 185 26.77%*
*User talk 238 34.44%*
*Wikipedia 144 20.84%*
Wikipedia talk 26 3.76%
Template 37 5.35%
Help 6 0.87%
For more stats :
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Ramshankaryadav&lang=…
Apart from the numbers we got the experience of personally touching 1000+
students and interacting with Faculty and Directors, which you can not do
by siting and editing Wikipedia in your living room. I'm not a 14000+
editor like you but I share the same philosophy of free knowledge, but
instead of respecting us you are doing all the mud throwing, it's not
acceptable at all!!
*This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about
how en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a
giant sandbox to play with students.*
- You are crossing your limits here, we have repeatedly accepted our faults
but this is too much, we tried something new things, and few worked few
didn't by it doesn't gives you the authority to say whatever you like to!
Instead of coming up with "How we can make it better" you are more into the
mode of "You did it wrong"!.
~Ram
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
> -* If Hisham and Nitika were clueless why didn't to step-up and asked
> them about the expectations. One more thing when you are starting something
> new don't expect people will start reaching you from the Day1, we need to
> build a relationship and get their faith that "we are here to help you, and
> it's going to be great learning experience". Tell me how many times did you
> reached out to students, even if you did and they didn't responded don't
> loose the faith, they are new to this environment just help them to take
> baby steps.
>
> *I remember doing this exactly on Oct 12 office hours. Here is the
> transcript snippet which srikanth has provided in the earlier mail. Again
> you are demonstrating your ignorance about what an OA role is.
>
>
> Oct 12 15:34:32 <srikanthlogic> but i was on IRC, got only one help req
>> in a whole week, my talk page was untouched. I am ready to help if
>> people reach out :)
>> Oct 12 15:35:33 <Hmundol> srikanthlogic & soda bottle : yes, i know that
>> more students ought to be reaching out but sometimes they don't even know
>> the mistake they are committing so don't reach out. …what the Campus
>> Ambassadors have been doing i s proactively going to contrib histories and
>> checking in. …unfortunately, that seems to the only way that it's worked.
>
>
> *.*
> - *First of all I didn't like the way you put this statement, if helping
> someone by teaching them the right way is some kind of low grade job for
> you, then I can surely say you are a misfit here! Just imagine you are
> trying teach a kid to write, they will definitely mess it up by drawing
> mangoes and bananas, and when you clear the slate you don't call it
> janatorship, coz you know what you are doing, and having faith that the kid
> will learn by doing mistakes eventually.
>
> *
> This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids",
> who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast
> semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.
>
> But then, i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from a
> "campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?.
>
> This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about
> how en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a
> giant sandbox to play with students.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> We have had a lot of responses and recriminations on this issue. In the
>> light of all that has happened, please let us stop our grousing. Hisham has
>> opened a new thread, and accepted full responsibility. That is the end of
>> the blame-game as far as anybody is concerned. All of us are inviolved and
>> all of us are both innocent and blameworthy, including and especially me. I
>> know I should have done more.
>>
>> Let us bring this thread to a close. Let all posts now be in response to
>> his new thread only and couched in positive terms and offering useful
>> suggestions or fresh input.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
>> ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bala,
>>>
>>> *"Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika
>>> and apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA
>>> role involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs
>>> mails did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the
>>> student's homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never signed
>>> up."*
>>>
>>> - We are not putting blame on anyone. If Hisham and Nitika were clueless
>>> why didn't to step-up and asked them about the expectations. One more thing
>>> when you are starting something new don't expect people will start reaching
>>> you from the Day1, we need to build a relationship and get their faith that
>>> "we are here to help you, and it's going to be great learning experience".
>>> Tell me how many times did you reached out to students, even if you did and
>>> they didn't responded don't loose the faith, they are new to this
>>> environment just help them to take baby steps.
>>>
>>> *It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the students.
>>> (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an OA in both programs
>>> - MikeLynch).*
>>> - First of all I didn't like the way you put this statement, if helping
>>> someone by teaching them the right way is some kind of low grade job for
>>> you, then I can surely say you are a misfit here! Just imagine you are
>>> trying teach a kid to write, they will definitely mess it up by drawing
>>> mangoes and bananas, and when you clear the slate you don't call it
>>> janatorship, coz you know what you are doing, and having faith that the kid
>>> will learn by doing mistakes eventually.
>>>
>>> *Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried to
>>> point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september when
>>> things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of Moonriddengirl,
>>> where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a helpful
>>> Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP attitude, Spiff
>>> quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right then and
>>> there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been heeded.*
>>>
>>> - Accept my apologies for not able to recall few Indian Admins who tired
>>> to help us, but if you see the big picture, the whole scene was dominated
>>> by editors from abroad. We needed your help and support when these folks
>>> were pointing fingers on Indian Education System. One more thing, after the
>>> first few instances of copyvios we reached out in person and took 35+
>>> sessions in various classes but even after putting that effort few of them
>>> kept doing the copy-paste for last minute submissions.
>>>
>>> *And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The newbie
>>> editors were getting plenty of help from the global community.*
>>> *- *By "Indian" community I mean people like you and me and others you
>>> are either reading or replying this thread, guys we surely needed your
>>> support at the forefront.
>>>
>>>
>>> We never denied the fact that we have failed in certain areas but that
>>> doesn't mean that overall program is a failure or dead.
>>>
>>> We believe in learning from our mistakes and happy to do new ones to
>>> learn better.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
>>>> speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
>>>> that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
>>>> *My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
>>>> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't you approached
>>>> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure story
>>>> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.*
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and
>>>> apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA role
>>>> involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs mails
>>>> did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the student's
>>>> homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never signed up.
>>>>
>>>> So get this straight - IEP had no clue what Online Ambassador's did in
>>>> the PPP. They just used the term in IEP and recruited a bunch of volunteer
>>>> editors expecting them to cleanup after the students. This is not an issue
>>>> of miscommunication, this is an issue of ignorance. The IEP didnt know what
>>>> OAs do. It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the
>>>> students. (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an OA in
>>>> both programs - MikeLynch).
>>>>
>>>> >>,* I can't recall a single instance when an Indian Administrator
>>>> came forward and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried to
>>>> point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september when
>>>> things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of Moonriddengirl,
>>>> where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a helpful
>>>> Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP attitude, Spiff
>>>> quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right then and
>>>> there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been heeded.
>>>>
>>>> And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The newbie
>>>> editors were getting plenty of help from the global community. You dont
>>>> need a specific nationality editor to come and tell the students what to do
>>>> and what not to do. A student who doesnt listen to "Do not copy paste"
>>>> instruction coming from a American editor is not going to care if the
>>>> instruction came from an Indian editor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
>>>> ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 Srikanth!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Folks!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP and SSE. I
>>>>> would like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz the term
>>>>> "FAIL" is quite thought provoking, and now everyone has an opinion and I
>>>>> respect that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat on ground and nobody can
>>>>> feel the pain like us when we heard the discontinuation of IEP in CoEP coz
>>>>> we gave our personal time physically and virtually in every possible way to
>>>>> make this program a success, and I promise we'll keep doing that.
>>>>>
>>>>> My views on IEP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. *Wikipedia India Education Program(IEP) for a CA* : The whole idea
>>>>> of this program like everyone knows is to get more editors, but we have our
>>>>> own set of challenges in the age of Facebook. What a bunch of CAs have done
>>>>> in as short span of 5 months can't be done in a couple of months by
>>>>> existing Community(local or global), coz we touched the students(1000+)
>>>>> personally, we had the experience of interactions with Faculty and
>>>>> Directors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our only aim was to tell them(students) that Wikipedia is "cool", and
>>>>> indeed we did that! in the way we taught wikipedia to them. Few things
>>>>> which we tell our students in our Wiki Sessions:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Writing on Wikipedia will give you global audience, 400 million
>>>>> unique visitors
>>>>> - It will improve your Writing, Critical Thinking
>>>>> and Collaborative skills
>>>>> - It will add a bullet point to your resume and hence better
>>>>> placements
>>>>> - Lastly it will also give you marks if you follow the given
>>>>> deadlines
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I agree that we have seen setback coz of the copyvios, but I
>>>>> totally agree with Srikanth coz this was due to the scale and numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. *Faculty Involvement* : It is one of the weak link in IEP, though
>>>>> they knew the importance of this program, but they have their own set of
>>>>> obligations/mindset, and we always felt that not all the faculty members
>>>>> are tracking the students and their articles. We have some exemplary Profs
>>>>> who are so much involved that they reached every student's talk page and
>>>>> wrote message on it, and on the other side few never opened the course page
>>>>> itself!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lesson for us is to enroll only those who are really interested and
>>>>> track them as well, drop the course if they are not putting effort as
>>>>> required, but this scenario was different 6 months back, coz no one knew
>>>>> about this program, and yes we did enrolled a few inactive faculty coz they
>>>>> showed interest but never lived up to the expectation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. *Online Ambassadors* : As Hisham already told that we got very
>>>>> late engagement of our OAs in this program as well as the OA expectation
>>>>> issue, we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
>>>>> speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
>>>>> that coordination chances of success are quite low.
>>>>> My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
>>>>> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't you approached
>>>>> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure story
>>>>> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. *India Community* : We really missed you throughout this program,
>>>>> I can't recall a single instance when an Indian Administrator came forward
>>>>> and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc. We don't bifurcate among community
>>>>> and we never taught our students that only Indian community will help, our
>>>>> aim was to make their "collaborative" skill better instead of creating a
>>>>> division among the community.
>>>>> For my fellow Indian Wiki Community, folks we would love to hear from
>>>>> you and surely need your help and support in future.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. *Global Community* : Firstly I would say "Thank you" to them for
>>>>> teaching the harsh lessons but we really liked the way you guys supported
>>>>> us. Yes, I know few folks who always crib and do the mud throwing on this
>>>>> program and it's implementation, but I know folks who have helped writing
>>>>> great articles, reviewing them and event doing copy-editing and cleaning.
>>>>> We need to surely communicate better with them in future.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. *Campus Ambassadors*: The best thing that happen to me coz of IEP
>>>>> is I found great friends who share the same philosophy of free knowledge.
>>>>> We gave our personal time not only in taking session but also training new
>>>>> bunch of CAs and helping students in every possible way.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were the face of Wikipedia on campus and we love it!
>>>>> Like Srikanth said yes we were overloaded coz of the number of
>>>>> students per CA was very large still we did our bit to help every students
>>>>> by either reaching out personally and virtually.
>>>>> One point to note here that out of 40 selected CAs(Gen 1 & 2) only 30
>>>>> are active and out of those 30 only 20 track/follow and reach out students,
>>>>> so in short we need more involvements for the dormant CAs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. *Students* : We found good and bad students, student I know has
>>>>> written a GA and I also know a student who in-spite of several warnings by
>>>>> phone/mail and personal visits they kept copy-paste! Between the two
>>>>> extremes there are folks who failed few times but did learned from it and
>>>>> had become great editors.
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all the learning here is to, assess the level of students based
>>>>> on their skill(writing especially) and their educational background(rural
>>>>> or urban). Also we need to teach them the most important thing, NOT TO COPY
>>>>> PASTE!!!, from the very first day of the wiki sessions.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Summary*: We are challenging the status quo by bringing a new way of
>>>>> learning and teaching things and have learned some essential lessons for
>>>>> making this program a success in future. I would personally request my
>>>>> fellow Wikipedians to keep a faith on us and support us in every possible
>>>>> way coz *"helping hands are better than praying lips"*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's make this world a better place!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ram
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <
>>>>> srik.lak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011 <de10011(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika <ntandon(a)wikimedia.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also like to share with you all some of the good articles
>>>>>>>> that students have written.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nitika, please use right terms from next time, "Good articles" mean
>>>>>> entirely different thing in Wikipedia. http://enwp.org/WP:GA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robinson Crusoe Economy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe_Economy>
>>>>>>> -Another redirect, 'economy' is in lower-case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Theo,
>>>>>> You got it wrong on that alone to best of my knowledge, probably you
>>>>>> did it too fast. Its probably the lone GA which got churned out of the
>>>>>> program and we could call it a lone success among several other things.
>>>>>> Wish that editor continues wiki editing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Srikanth.L
>>>>>>
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Sorry Srikeit! I did assume it was Internet Explorer because I
foolishly didnt believe that Google Chrome allows ad injection!?
apparently it does...
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9960350/inject-advertisements-in-pages
however they must be clearly marked.
"ads must be outside the page's normal flow and clearly state which
extension they are bundled with"
I think it would be useful to inform Google of this, as it breaks their policy.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The screenshot shows that the person is using Chrome so I don't think the IE
> point stands here.
>
> The ads also seem to be intermittent, my friend cannot see them anymore.
> Usage of https may resolve the problem, but looking for a solution with the
> normal Wikipedia may be necessary as several people wouldn't want to bother
> with using https.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:56 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It would good to know whether using https instead of http stops the ad
>> injection. I'm not sure that it will help.
>>
>> To help find the problem, we need to know what Internet Explorer
>> add-ons have been installed on their computer.
>>
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3892/manage-and-troubleshoot-addons-in-inter…
>>
>> Recommend using Firefox or Chrome instead of Internet Explorer. ;-)
>>
>> here is someone showing an ad injector working on Wikipedia in Internet
>> Explorer
>>
>> http://ipensatori.com/?p=521
>> (date : March 13th, 2012)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I think we should now recommend increased use of the secure server
>> > link for browsing wikipedia. Hopefully that will help.
>> >
>> > Ashwin
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> A friend of mine found similar ads inserted (screenshot attached).
>> >> I've
>> >> asked her to run malware tests and an extension check.
>> >>
>> >> She also tweeted those dreaded words 'Wikipedia now has ads!'
>> >>
>> >> This can become quite an issue if the press gets hold of it.
>> >>
>> >> Any resolutions on the horizon?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM, nischay nahata <nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Philippe,
>> >>>
>> >>> I would personally try to find out the extension and look into the
>> >>> HTML
>> >>> code it plays with but that will take a while (I am busy for few days
>> >>> and we
>> >>> have to see if the Ad shows up again). I will reply back in this
>> >>> thread as
>> >>> soon as I have something that can help.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Philippe Beaudette
>> >>> <philippe(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Nischay,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We're looking into this one. If your friend can spot the extension
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> send us relevant code, it would be helpful.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> pb
>> >>>> ___________________
>> >>>> Philippe Beaudette
>> >>>> Director, Community Advocacy
>> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 415-839-6885, x 6643
>> >>>>
>> >>>> philippe(a)wikimedia.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, nischay nahata <nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One of my friend also reported seeing Ads of Jabong on Wikipedia.
>> >>>>> Some
>> >>>>> extension in the user's browser is most likely the source of
>> >>>>> injection for
>> >>>>> such Ads. Finding out which extension(s) does this will be in good
>> >>>>> interest
>> >>>>> of everyone.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Swaroop Rao
>> >>>>> <raul.swaroop(a)gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> One can also see
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why_do_I_see_commercial_…
>> >>>>>> for clarification.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Swaroop Rao
>> >>>>>> (MikeLynch)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 23:09, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Business Insider gave a $5bn valuation to Wikipedia in 2010. So
>> >>>>>>> yeah,
>> >>>>>>> that's a big market for spammers.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> anirudh
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Ramesh N G <rameshng(a)gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I was really amazed on the discussion on the ads on the
>> >>>>>>>> wikipedia.
>> >>>>>>>> Looking at the snapshot, it could really some virus or adware.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Even this should not be the way the ads come to Wikipedia, though
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> personally never will support this.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I strongly recommend the user to scan the PC for a virus, change
>> >>>>>>>> browser and check. Also seen some discussion where multiple
>> >>>>>>>> people has
>> >>>>>>>> reported this issue.
>> >>>>>>>> This means that Wikipedia being targeted by Viruses now!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> User:Rameshng
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> >>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Could be, but it wouldn't hurt to do a scan of your system and
>> >>>>>>>>> find
>> >>>>>>>>> out if anything is wrong with it.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
>> >>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not the techie here, but I don't think its a malware on a
>> >>>>>>>>>> system per se. Reason being being, two different people have
>> >>>>>>>>>> experienced it,
>> >>>>>>>>>> same ad also from different IP's, different locations though.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> >>>>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely Adware/Malware/Spyware/etc.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice in the Screenshot, it says Ads Not By This Site.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> It should've been a clue.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do scan your system with a good antivirus [Free or paid
>> >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>> matter].
>> >>>>>>>>>>> If your system is infected by anything, your data might be at
>> >>>>>>>>>>> risk.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just saw that screenshot and remembered, even my friend
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> said,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it was by the same site, inkfruit. Some common issue??
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, now that you mention him, even a friend of mine in Pune
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> told
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> me that Wikipedia had started ads, to which I dared him to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> show me and in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact made a bet. He failed to show me when I asked him to,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I took it as a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> singular even, perhaps, some sort of mistake he made.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, since other
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people have started seeing this, I though I'd tell you that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he is not alone.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask him further details about his net connection and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to you guys on this.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Sengupta
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting- a virus that injects ads directly into the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOM.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 19:03, Bala Jeyaraman
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sodabottle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostprobably adware in his machine. A smiliar report in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portugese wikipedia is here:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.o…
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Aditya Sengupta
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A friend got in touch with me about this. He is currently
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except the home
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page). Here is a link to a screenshot:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These advertisements were not visible to him when I asked
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check through the secure WM server. These
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertisements are also not
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible to him on any other web page. To the bottom right
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of each ad, there
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is some text that says, "ads not by this site". I've
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken a quick look
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the page source he forwarded, nothing looks
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> untoward. His
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-click menu does not appear when he right-clicks on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ad.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata Teleservices
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maharashtra Ltd". His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was, while he
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessed this page; I've since had him change his IP
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address since I'm
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing this one). I'm not sure if this issue is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricted to Mumbai; since
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IP address shows up in Pune when I try to geolocate
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it (though I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand this is fairly common).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is this:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CP….
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm adding this here and copying the founder of Inkfruit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the campaign
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data in the URL parameters may help identify the problem
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (also, I'm not sure
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've copied my friend here in case there are further
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions he could help answer.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply malware
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his machine? If it were the former, what would be the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal status of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Toll Plaza.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
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>> >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>> >>>>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>> >>>>>>>>> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a
>> >>>>>>>>> Toll
>> >>>>>>>>> Plaza.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> With Regards
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nischay Nahata
>> >>>>> B.tech 3rd year
>> >>>>> Department of Information Technology
>> >>>>> NITK,Surathkal
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> With Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Nischay Nahata
>> >>> B.tech 3rd year
>> >>> Department of Information Technology
>> >>> NITK,Surathkal
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Srikeit Tadepalli
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Warm regards,
>> >
>> > Ashwin Baindur
>> > ------------------------------------------------------
>> >
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>> John Vandenberg
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> --
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>
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On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ashwin Baindur
<ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry Nitika, the format provided gives no line breaks or paragraph breaks
> and its not readable. Please provide in a plain text file format, readable
> in DOS/Windows.
The file seems to be a text one indeed. Not the most elegant way of
doing this, but pasted below is the content of the attachment (as
picked off the archives)
[2013-05-13 20:22:42] [INFO] Now logging to
<file:///C:/Users/a2kpd/AppData/Roaming/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/5gpcopu5.default/chatzilla/logs/freenode/channels/%23wikimedia-in.2013-05-13.log>.
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[2013-05-13 20:34:19] <Abhinav> Good evening every one...
[2013-05-13 20:34:30] <Abhinav> Shall we start now??
[2013-05-13 20:35:59] <Vishnu_A2K> @All. Thank you for joining us.
[2013-05-13 20:36:21] <Theo10011> Abhinav - who are you? and start what?
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[2013-05-13 20:36:45] <subha> Hi All
[2013-05-13 20:36:59] <Vishnu_A2K> @All-Welcome!
[2013-05-13 20:37:25] <Vishnu_A2K> Thank you for joining-in to share
your feedback on the A2K Work Plans.
[2013-05-13 20:38:09] <Vishnu_A2K> Is this Agenda good?
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[2013-05-13 20:39:11] <Vishnu_A2K> 5 mins - Arrive at topics that you
would like to discuss around the A2K Work Plans
[2013-05-13 20:39:44] <Vishnu_A2K> next 50 mins - we can take up each
topic and discuss
[2013-05-13 20:39:53] <Vishnu_A2K> @All - Is this good?
[2013-05-13 20:40:09] <Vishnu_A2K> @All - would like to suggest a
different structure?
[2013-05-13 20:41:04] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav - Any specific topics you
would like to discuss?
[2013-05-13 20:41:27] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna - Please suggest if you
have any topics in mind
[2013-05-13 20:41:48] <arjunaraoc> hi Vishnu_A2K
[2013-05-13 20:41:52] <Vishnu_A2K> @Barras - Please suggest
[2013-05-13 20:42:16] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo10011 - Please suggest if you
have any specific topic to discuss
[2013-05-13 20:42:19] <Theo10011> Why are you pinging everyone individually?
[2013-05-13 20:42:21] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna - Hi.
[2013-05-13 20:42:25] <Theo10011> Barras and I are here because we're ops
[2013-05-13 20:42:35] <arjunaraoc> I have given my feedback on the
meta. Some of it was addressed. Would like to get response on others.
[2013-05-13 20:42:43] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo10011 - Ok.
[2013-05-13 20:43:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-Sure.
[2013-05-13 20:43:51] <Abhinav> concept of Wikipedia Student
Partners:- Wiki Student Partners are students from colleges who will
help students in solving their queries and keeping follow ups of “How
to edit on Wikipedia?”
[2013-05-13 20:44:32] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-'Approach for
Village/Block/District project' on Odia Work Plan
[2013-05-13 20:44:47] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-time frame for the Pilot
[2013-05-13 20:44:57] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-Anything else?
[2013-05-13 20:45:25] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: yes
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[2013-05-13 20:45:58] <Abhinav> can we start this wiki student partner
concept?? in this pilot project??
[2013-05-13 20:46:13] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav-Ok. I think this has been
addressed specifically in each of the language work plans, but we will
come to this at the end and take any specific questions/queries you
may have. OK?
[2013-05-13 20:46:21] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: you can also summarise
outcome of discussions of these on language wikis
[2013-05-13 20:46:46] <Abhinav> ok
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[2013-05-13 20:47:20] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We will be doing on Meta
in detail by May 15th. Is it ok?
[2013-05-13 20:47:53] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Also put it on Language wiki VPs
[2013-05-13 20:48:01] <Nitika> @Arjuna - we'll summarise all the
feedback from the community on meta by the 15th
[2013-05-13 20:49:21] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: We have 3 points so far.
Anything else to be added.
[2013-05-13 20:49:27] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: if you share any update
as of now, irc could be useful to trigger some more discussion
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[2013-05-13 20:50:07] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: OK. Sure +1
[2013-05-13 20:52:34] <subha1> Shall we start discussing the first
point for today's agenda?: "Approach for Village/Block/District
project' on Odia Work Plan"
[2013-05-13 20:53:17] <sipun> yes
[2013-05-13 20:53:37] <arjunaraoc> sure
[2013-05-13 20:55:08] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Arjuna based on the
experience from Telugu Wikipedia questioned how effective the
Village/Block/District project' on Odia Wiki will be.
[2013-05-13 20:55:41] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Arjuna's main concern was
about creating stub class articles.
[2013-05-13 20:56:56] <subha1> Arjuna and Ansuman, to address your
questions on Meta about the Odia village project, the plan states that
we'd involve more wikipedians to create start class articles and not
bot-generated stub articles.
[2013-05-13 20:58:22] <Vishnu_A2K> Also unlike the Telugu Wikipeida
Village project (done in 2007) now we have many of the data openly
available which can be used to create good articles on
Villages/blocks/districts.
[2013-05-13 20:59:00] <arjunaraoc> subha1: My suggestion is to go for
a top down approach. focus on districts for few months. review the
progress, assess whether the next level will be worthwhile.
[2013-05-13 20:59:32] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: +1
[2013-05-13 20:59:52] <arjunaraoc> Thx Vishnu_A2K
[2013-05-13 21:00:03] <arjunaraoc> what does subha1 think?
[2013-05-13 21:00:27] <subha1> arjunaraoc: Yes, the list of districts
and articles on the districts are created
[2013-05-13 21:01:41] <Vishnu_A2K> @Subha1: Do we know that these
district articles are exhaustive?
[2013-05-13 21:02:11] <arjunaraoc> subha1: I do not know Odia. so
can't understand their present quality. I wanted to share the learning
from Telugu.
[2013-05-13 21:02:46] <subha1> arjunaraoc: and Vishnu_A2K, yes they
are start class articles
[2013-05-13 21:02:56] <subha1> and now the community actively wants to
take it to the further level and create articles about the villages by
involving more wikipedians, this was what the communities from Cuttack
and Bhubaneswar expressed during our interaction
[2013-05-13 21:03:18] <arjunaraoc> As you go to village level, the
number of interested contributors as well as number of readers will be
less and less. It will be tough to generate useful articles at
village level, till the community becomes large
[2013-05-13 21:04:07] <arjunaraoc> you may like to experiment block
level first and then village or address one district from top to
bottom as pilot.
[2013-05-13 21:04:27] <subha1> Yes this is a concern, however the Odia
community strongly sees about doing this project
[2013-05-13 21:04:57] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: +1
[2013-05-13 21:05:04] <subha1> +1 arjunaraoc, that would another
useful way of approach, will surely discuss that with the community
[2013-05-13 21:05:16] <arjunaraoc> ok.
[2013-05-13 21:06:04] <Vishnu_A2K> @Subha: Is it possible to have
Arjuna part of the discussions with the Odia community on this
particular project and leverage on Telugu Wiki Community's experience?
[2013-05-13 21:06:25] <subha1> Definitely, that's a very good idea
[2013-05-13 21:07:17] <subha1> Will explore an opportunity with the
community for this useful interaction
[2013-05-13 21:08:10] <Nitika> How about focussing on 3-4 districts to
begin with. And cover as Arjuna says blocks, and villages?
[2013-05-13 21:08:19] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Shall we move to point 2.
[2013-05-13 21:08:45] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Ok we can discuss this one
last suggestion from Nitika and move to point 2.
[2013-05-13 21:09:07] <subha1> I second Nitika: , @Vishnu_A2K sure
[2013-05-13 21:09:08] <arjunaraoc> subha1: Thanks for suggestion. It
is not feasible for me to devote more time. I thought of sharing my
experience so that a2k plans can be more effective.
[2013-05-13 21:10:43] <subha1> arjunaraoc: We'll take these feedback
and interact with the community and discuss
[2013-05-13 21:11:00] <arjunaraoc> thanks subha1
[2013-05-13 21:11:01] <Nitika> @All: Should we move to point no. 2?
[2013-05-13 21:11:16] <Abhinav> ok
[2013-05-13 21:12:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Point No. 2 is about 'Time
frame for the proposed Pilot project'
[2013-05-13 21:13:32] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Arjuna has said " It is
better to do couple of pilots for 3-6 months time frame to assess the
potential."
[2013-05-13 21:14:06] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: I see two aspects to the suggestion.
[2013-05-13 21:14:26] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: 1) is about the proposed
pilot on Performing Arts in India.
[2013-05-13 21:14:44] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: 2) Doing more pilots than one.
[2013-05-13 21:15:13] <Vishnu_A2K> Re. doing more pilots than one....
A2K is working on developing more pilots.
[2013-05-13 21:15:33] <Vishnu_A2K> It is too early to commit to these
on paper...
[2013-05-13 21:15:55] <Theo10011> Good god, reading this is like
watching paint dry.
[2013-05-13 21:16:10] <Theo10011> I'm not sure why the constant use of
@all is required
[2013-05-13 21:16:19] <Vishnu_A2K> But sharing some ideas under
development anyway...
[2013-05-13 21:16:21] <Theo10011> the wide participation of 2 only has
arjuna asking stuff
[2013-05-13 21:16:39] <Theo10011> this can be easily taken to a
private email or a one on one chat
[2013-05-13 21:16:51] <Vishnu_A2K> A2K is developing a science project
pilot with IISc
[2013-05-13 21:16:56] <Nitika> Also since the person coming onboard to
handle pilots will be new to the team it might be better for him/her
to handle only one project to begin with.
[2013-05-13 21:17:25] <Vishnu_A2K> Also there are discussions with
TISS to do something focusing on Development Studies and Social Work.
[2013-05-13 21:18:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We will be more certain of
these by mid June, by when we are expecting to sign some MoAs
[2013-05-13 21:18:43] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: I am referring to
couple of pilots about the same topic for a shorter time.
[2013-05-13 21:19:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo: It is my style. Sorry if it
is bothering you.
[2013-05-13 21:19:12] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Could you pls. elaborate?
[2013-05-13 21:19:13] <arjunaraoc> If you plan to address other
topics that is great.
[2013-05-13 21:20:31] <arjunaraoc> Theo10011: The response to A2K plan
discussion has not been good so far on meta. So they have announced
IRC, where the status seems to be similar. anyway we will be done in
another 15-20 minutes. thx for your patience
[2013-05-13 21:21:14] <Theo10011> Great that you are there to rescue.
[2013-05-13 21:21:18] <Theo10011> Speaking of which
[2013-05-13 21:21:31] <Theo10011> CIS doesnt have anything to do with Wikimedia
[2013-05-13 21:21:41] <Theo10011> as far as I know this is a different
organization on a grant
[2013-05-13 21:22:05] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: If you see the design of
the Pilot it will be executed in multiple languages on the same topic.
[2013-05-13 21:22:06] <Theo10011> Using all the same channels of
communications as if this was like hisham
[2013-05-13 21:22:17] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: You have listed ten
to twenty organisations for colloboration. I mean do pilots with
couple of organisations for a short period
[2013-05-13 21:22:25] <Theo10011> isn't the same
[2013-05-13 21:22:28] <Theo10011> anyway
[2013-05-13 21:22:31] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Ok.
[2013-05-13 21:23:10] <Theo10011> I should stop reading before I
remove all of you and moderate the channel because its getting on my
nerves.
[2013-05-13 21:23:33] <subha1> I second arjunaraoc for the ideas about
the pilots
[2013-05-13 21:23:46] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We were thinking of
bringing all these together so that at a time a single article will be
done in multiple languages.
[2013-05-13 21:24:17] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: But we will definitely
discuss this internally and try to think of the feasibility.
[2013-05-13 21:24:21] <sipun> Vishnu: IISc and TISS will help for
english language wiki or for any India language wikipedias ?
[2013-05-13 21:24:43] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipus: English + Indian Languages.
[2013-05-13 21:24:54] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipus: with IISc it will be
English and Kannada
[2013-05-13 21:25:05] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: ooops!
[2013-05-13 21:25:09] <sipun> How ?
[2013-05-13 21:25:14] <Vishnu_A2K> got buttery fingers.
[2013-05-13 21:25:42] <sipun> :D
[2013-05-13 21:25:44] <arjunaraoc> Theo10011: What ever A2K does will
impact Indian language wikipedias just like the previous wmf india
programs initiative. May be they can discuss your feedback and plan
the next session differently.
[2013-05-13 21:26:34] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: The faculty at IISc also
write in Kannada and have linkages with UG level faculty which will be
brought on board.
[2013-05-13 21:26:58] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: Similarly with TISS it will
be English+Marathi+Telugu+Assamese (possibily)
[2013-05-13 21:27:19] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: what about the budget
for these different initiatives. I did not find any info other than
staff salaries.
[2013-05-13 21:27:23] <sipun> Subha: can we discuss same with UU for
same kind of plans like IISc.
[2013-05-13 21:27:30] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: As they have campuses in
Maha, AP n Assam and their students and faculty are bi-lingual
[2013-05-13 21:27:50] <sipun> yes
[2013-05-13 21:28:17] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We have shared a revised budget.
[2013-05-13 21:28:59] <subha1> sipun: we're exploring the
opportunities, but so far, we don't have a strong point of contact and
facilities. We'd consider this and start to discuss more with UU
[2013-05-13 21:29:00] <sipun> this is a good way for scientific
articles in Indian lang wikis
[2013-05-13 21:29:13] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: In that the Programme
component will be used for this purpose. Also it will be massively
less expensive as we are trying to get the institutions bear infra and
other costs.
[2013-05-13 21:29:17] <sipun> k
[2013-05-13 21:30:12] <Vishnu_A2K> Shall we extend the chat by some
more minutes to take Abhinav's point please and then we can leave?
[2013-05-13 21:30:47] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: how much is the program
component? Can you point to any breakup of the same?
[2013-05-13 21:31:07] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: it is clearly mentioned in
the proposed revised budget.
[2013-05-13 21:31:09] <arjunaraoc> if not right away, may be offline.
[2013-05-13 21:31:35] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Will share the revised
budget document link through e-mail.
[2013-05-13 21:31:44] <arjunaraoc> let me check again then.
[2013-05-13 21:31:55] <Vishnu_A2K> Point 3:
[2013-05-13 21:32:24] <Nitika> @Abhinav: Could you please elaborate on
the Wiki Student Partners please?
[2013-05-13 21:32:48] <Nitika> Is it something similar to Miscrosoft
Student Partners that you're refering to?
[2013-05-13 21:33:04] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: Do you mean students in
colleges and univs?
[2013-05-13 21:33:14] <Abhinav> Wiki Student Partners are students
from different colleges who will help students in solving their
queries and keeping follow ups of “How to edit on Wikipedia?”
[2013-05-13 21:33:17] <Abhinav> yup
[2013-05-13 21:34:40] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: If you see our plan, we
have listed various Higher education institutional partnerships
[2013-05-13 21:34:42] <Nitika> @Abhinav - I think it's a brillaint
idea. Student Partners can share the Wikipedia editing skills with
others, giving presentations and initiate projects.
[2013-05-13 21:34:59] <Nitika> We can definitely take this up as a pilot.
[2013-05-13 21:35:13] <Abhinav> @Nikita:- +1
[2013-05-13 21:35:16] <Nitika> But are you thinking to do this at the
school/UG/PG level?
[2013-05-13 21:35:25] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: I found program cost
breakup. Thx.
[2013-05-13 21:35:46] <Abhinav> UG and PG
[2013-05-13 21:35:47] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Ok. Great!
[2013-05-13 21:36:15] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Please feel free to share
the feedback later.
[2013-05-13 21:36:44] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: But there will be an
active local Wikimedia community that will be there to support.
[2013-05-13 21:36:46] <Nitika> @Abhinav: I think so too. We can check
the feasibility of running this with one our insti partners
[2013-05-13 21:37:15] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: How do you think Student
Partners are different from say any Wiki Community Member?
[2013-05-13 21:37:41] <Abhinav> I'll share detailed document within 2-3 days...
[2013-05-13 21:38:21] <Vishnu_A2K> Great! We will look forward.
[2013-05-13 21:38:38] <Nitika> @Vishnu - I think Abhinav is refering
to create a Wiki community within an educational institue similar to
to a wiki community in a city.
[2013-05-13 21:38:59] <Nitika> And ofcourse the two are not separate
from one another.
[2013-05-13 21:39:18] <Vishnu_A2K> @Nitika ok @Abhinav +1
[2013-05-13 21:39:51] <Nitika> @Abhinav - i look forward to reading
your plan around this. :)
[2013-05-13 21:40:06] <Nitika> maybe we could work together.
[2013-05-13 21:40:16] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Thank you for your time and engagement.
[2013-05-13 21:40:38] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: We will definitely try and
incorporate your feedback.
[2013-05-13 21:40:40] <Abhinav> yeah...sure... :)
[2013-05-13 21:40:46] <Nitika> :)
[2013-05-13 21:41:04] <Abhinav> @All:- Thank you
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[2013-05-13 21:41:50] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Please feel free to share any
feedback and afterthoughts over e-mail and on Meta.
[2013-05-13 21:41:51] <Nitika> Thanks everyone! Enjoy the rest of your
evening/night.
[2013-05-13 21:41:59] <subha1> Thanks everyone! Good night :)
[2013-05-13 21:42:18] <arjunaraoc> Thanks all. Good night
[2013-05-13 21:42:28] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: We will collect all the
feedback by May 20 and revise the plans.
[2013-05-13 21:42:32] <Vishnu_A2K> Good Night.
[2013-05-13 21:42:38] <Vishnu_A2K> Thank you :)
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[2013-05-13 21:47:30] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo10011: Please do share your
feedback on this session and suggest how we can organize this
differently. Thanks.
--
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>
Since you people are playing with numbers:
In Brazil program - page:
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikimedia_Brasil_Educa%C3%A7%C3…
the CA is
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:OTAVIO1981 and his edits are:
Total editcount: 14346
Main 5455 38.02% Talk 1544 10.76% User 299 2.08% User talk 1004 7%
Project 2305 16.07% Project talk 586 4.08% Image 20 0.14% Template 655
4.57% Template talk 24 0.17% Help 8 0.06% Category 711 4.96% Category
talk 1 0.01%Source:
http://toolserver.org/~vvv/yaec.php?user=OTAVIO1981&wiki=ptwiki_p
The OA - yours truly - have this edit count:
Total editcount: 44979
Main 18984 42.21% Talk 1605 3.57% User 1557 3.46% User talk 7365 16.37%
Project 7440 16.54% Project talk 706 1.57% Image 43 0.1% MediaWiki 122
0.27% MediaWiki talk 11 0.02% Template 1243 2.76% Template talk 30 0.07%
Help 21 0.05% Help talk 3 0.01% Category 597 1.33% Category talk 1 0%source:
http://toolserver.org/~vvv/yaec.php?user=Beria&wiki=ptwiki_p
We have more 2 OA, and both have similar numbers of edits. So I can
understand what Bala says when he complain the program is being conduct by
people who doesn't edit WP (In pt,wiki, Ran, you wouldn't even have right
to vote)
_____
*Béria Lima*
<http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 15 November 2011 07:38, Ram Shankar Yadav <ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> *This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids",
> who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast
> semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.*
> *
> *
> *- *First of all stop playing those policy games, before looking at
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] I would rather say to have a look at [[WP:DONTBITE]].
>
> *But then, i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from
> a "campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?. *
> *
> *
> - Dude you are getting personal here, I respect you obsession with numbers
> but the whole idea of a "campus ambassador" is to help others to edit,
> instead of writing articles for edit count. You just took one number and
> creating all the fuss but you ignored others like ...
>
> Total Edits :705 (in last 5 months)
> Article 49 7.09%
> Talk 6 0.87%
> *User 185 26.77%*
> *User talk 238 34.44%*
> *Wikipedia 144 20.84%*
> Wikipedia talk 26 3.76%
> Template 37 5.35%
> Help 6 0.87%
>
> For more stats :
> http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Ramshankaryadav&lang=…
>
> Apart from the numbers we got the experience of personally touching 1000+
> students and interacting with Faculty and Directors, which you can not do
> by siting and editing Wikipedia in your living room. I'm not a 14000+
> editor like you but I share the same philosophy of free knowledge, but
> instead of respecting us you are doing all the mud throwing, it's not
> acceptable at all!!
>
> *This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about
> how en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a
> giant sandbox to play with students.*
> - You are crossing your limits here, we have repeatedly accepted our
> faults but this is too much, we tried something new things, and few worked
> few didn't by it doesn't gives you the authority to say whatever you like
> to!
> Instead of coming up with "How we can make it better" you are more into
> the mode of "You did it wrong"!.
>
> ~Ram
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> -* If Hisham and Nitika were clueless why didn't to step-up and asked
>> them about the expectations. One more thing when you are starting something
>> new don't expect people will start reaching you from the Day1, we need to
>> build a relationship and get their faith that "we are here to help you, and
>> it's going to be great learning experience". Tell me how many times did you
>> reached out to students, even if you did and they didn't responded don't
>> loose the faith, they are new to this environment just help them to take
>> baby steps.
>>
>> *I remember doing this exactly on Oct 12 office hours. Here is the
>> transcript snippet which srikanth has provided in the earlier mail. Again
>> you are demonstrating your ignorance about what an OA role is.
>>
>>
>> Oct 12 15:34:32 <srikanthlogic> but i was on IRC, got only one help req
>>> in a whole week, my talk page was untouched. I am ready to help if
>>> people reach out :)
>>> Oct 12 15:35:33 <Hmundol> srikanthlogic & soda bottle : yes, i know that
>>> more students ought to be reaching out but sometimes they don't even know
>>> the mistake they are committing so don't reach out. …what the Campus
>>> Ambassadors have been doing i s proactively going to contrib histories and
>>> checking in. …unfortunately, that seems to the only way that it's worked.
>>
>>
>> *.*
>> - *First of all I didn't like the way you put this statement, if helping
>> someone by teaching them the right way is some kind of low grade job for
>> you, then I can surely say you are a misfit here! Just imagine you are
>> trying teach a kid to write, they will definitely mess it up by drawing
>> mangoes and bananas, and when you clear the slate you don't call it
>> janatorship, coz you know what you are doing, and having faith that the kid
>> will learn by doing mistakes eventually.
>>
>> *
>> This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
>> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids",
>> who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast
>> semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.
>>
>> But then, i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from a
>> "campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?.
>>
>> This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about
>> how en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a
>> giant sandbox to play with students.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have had a lot of responses and recriminations on this issue. In the
>>> light of all that has happened, please let us stop our grousing. Hisham has
>>> opened a new thread, and accepted full responsibility. That is the end of
>>> the blame-game as far as anybody is concerned. All of us are inviolved and
>>> all of us are both innocent and blameworthy, including and especially me. I
>>> know I should have done more.
>>>
>>> Let us bring this thread to a close. Let all posts now be in response to
>>> his new thread only and couched in positive terms and offering useful
>>> suggestions or fresh input.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
>>> ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bala,
>>>>
>>>> *"Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika
>>>> and apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA
>>>> role involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs
>>>> mails did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the
>>>> student's homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never signed
>>>> up."*
>>>>
>>>> - We are not putting blame on anyone. If Hisham and Nitika were
>>>> clueless why didn't to step-up and asked them about the expectations. One
>>>> more thing when you are starting something new don't expect people will
>>>> start reaching you from the Day1, we need to build a relationship and get
>>>> their faith that "we are here to help you, and it's going to be great
>>>> learning experience". Tell me how many times did you reached out to
>>>> students, even if you did and they didn't responded don't loose the faith,
>>>> they are new to this environment just help them to take baby steps.
>>>>
>>>> *It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the
>>>> students. (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an OA in
>>>> both programs - MikeLynch).*
>>>> - First of all I didn't like the way you put this statement, if helping
>>>> someone by teaching them the right way is some kind of low grade job for
>>>> you, then I can surely say you are a misfit here! Just imagine you are
>>>> trying teach a kid to write, they will definitely mess it up by drawing
>>>> mangoes and bananas, and when you clear the slate you don't call it
>>>> janatorship, coz you know what you are doing, and having faith that the kid
>>>> will learn by doing mistakes eventually.
>>>>
>>>> *Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried
>>>> to point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september when
>>>> things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of Moonriddengirl,
>>>> where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a helpful
>>>> Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP attitude, Spiff
>>>> quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right then and
>>>> there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been heeded.*
>>>>
>>>> - Accept my apologies for not able to recall few Indian Admins who
>>>> tired to help us, but if you see the big picture, the whole scene was
>>>> dominated by editors from abroad. We needed your help and support when
>>>> these folks were pointing fingers on Indian Education System. One more
>>>> thing, after the first few instances of copyvios we reached out in person
>>>> and took 35+ sessions in various classes but even after putting that effort
>>>> few of them kept doing the copy-paste for last minute submissions.
>>>>
>>>> *And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The newbie
>>>> editors were getting plenty of help from the global community.*
>>>> *- *By "Indian" community I mean people like you and me and others you
>>>> are either reading or replying this thread, guys we surely needed your
>>>> support at the forefront.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We never denied the fact that we have failed in certain areas but that
>>>> doesn't mean that overall program is a failure or dead.
>>>>
>>>> We believe in learning from our mistakes and happy to do new ones to
>>>> learn better.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ram
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >>*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
>>>>> speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
>>>>> that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
>>>>> *My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
>>>>> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't you approached
>>>>> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure story
>>>>> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and
>>>>> apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA role
>>>>> involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs mails
>>>>> did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the student's
>>>>> homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never signed up.
>>>>>
>>>>> So get this straight - IEP had no clue what Online Ambassador's did in
>>>>> the PPP. They just used the term in IEP and recruited a bunch of volunteer
>>>>> editors expecting them to cleanup after the students. This is not an issue
>>>>> of miscommunication, this is an issue of ignorance. The IEP didnt know what
>>>>> OAs do. It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the
>>>>> students. (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an OA in
>>>>> both programs - MikeLynch).
>>>>>
>>>>> >>,* I can't recall a single instance when an Indian Administrator
>>>>> came forward and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>> Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried to
>>>>> point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september when
>>>>> things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of Moonriddengirl,
>>>>> where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a helpful
>>>>> Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP attitude, Spiff
>>>>> quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right then and
>>>>> there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been heeded.
>>>>>
>>>>> And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The newbie
>>>>> editors were getting plenty of help from the global community. You dont
>>>>> need a specific nationality editor to come and tell the students what to do
>>>>> and what not to do. A student who doesnt listen to "Do not copy paste"
>>>>> instruction coming from a American editor is not going to care if the
>>>>> instruction came from an Indian editor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
>>>>> ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 Srikanth!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Folks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP and SSE. I
>>>>>> would like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz the term
>>>>>> "FAIL" is quite thought provoking, and now everyone has an opinion and I
>>>>>> respect that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat on ground and nobody can
>>>>>> feel the pain like us when we heard the discontinuation of IEP in CoEP coz
>>>>>> we gave our personal time physically and virtually in every possible way to
>>>>>> make this program a success, and I promise we'll keep doing that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My views on IEP:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. *Wikipedia India Education Program(IEP) for a CA* : The whole
>>>>>> idea of this program like everyone knows is to get more editors, but we
>>>>>> have our own set of challenges in the age of Facebook. What a bunch of CAs
>>>>>> have done in as short span of 5 months can't be done in a couple of months
>>>>>> by existing Community(local or global), coz we touched the students(1000+)
>>>>>> personally, we had the experience of interactions with Faculty and
>>>>>> Directors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our only aim was to tell them(students) that Wikipedia is "cool", and
>>>>>> indeed we did that! in the way we taught wikipedia to them. Few things
>>>>>> which we tell our students in our Wiki Sessions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Writing on Wikipedia will give you global audience, 400 million
>>>>>> unique visitors
>>>>>> - It will improve your Writing, Critical Thinking
>>>>>> and Collaborative skills
>>>>>> - It will add a bullet point to your resume and hence better
>>>>>> placements
>>>>>> - Lastly it will also give you marks if you follow the given
>>>>>> deadlines
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I agree that we have seen setback coz of the copyvios, but I
>>>>>> totally agree with Srikanth coz this was due to the scale and numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. *Faculty Involvement* : It is one of the weak link in IEP, though
>>>>>> they knew the importance of this program, but they have their own set of
>>>>>> obligations/mindset, and we always felt that not all the faculty members
>>>>>> are tracking the students and their articles. We have some exemplary Profs
>>>>>> who are so much involved that they reached every student's talk page and
>>>>>> wrote message on it, and on the other side few never opened the course page
>>>>>> itself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lesson for us is to enroll only those who are really interested and
>>>>>> track them as well, drop the course if they are not putting effort as
>>>>>> required, but this scenario was different 6 months back, coz no one knew
>>>>>> about this program, and yes we did enrolled a few inactive faculty coz they
>>>>>> showed interest but never lived up to the expectation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. *Online Ambassadors* : As Hisham already told that we got very
>>>>>> late engagement of our OAs in this program as well as the OA expectation
>>>>>> issue, we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
>>>>>> speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
>>>>>> that coordination chances of success are quite low.
>>>>>> My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
>>>>>> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't you approached
>>>>>> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure story
>>>>>> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. *India Community* : We really missed you throughout this program,
>>>>>> I can't recall a single instance when an Indian Administrator came forward
>>>>>> and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc. We don't bifurcate among community
>>>>>> and we never taught our students that only Indian community will help, our
>>>>>> aim was to make their "collaborative" skill better instead of creating a
>>>>>> division among the community.
>>>>>> For my fellow Indian Wiki Community, folks we would love to hear from
>>>>>> you and surely need your help and support in future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. *Global Community* : Firstly I would say "Thank you" to them for
>>>>>> teaching the harsh lessons but we really liked the way you guys supported
>>>>>> us. Yes, I know few folks who always crib and do the mud throwing on this
>>>>>> program and it's implementation, but I know folks who have helped writing
>>>>>> great articles, reviewing them and event doing copy-editing and cleaning.
>>>>>> We need to surely communicate better with them in future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. *Campus Ambassadors*: The best thing that happen to me coz of IEP
>>>>>> is I found great friends who share the same philosophy of free knowledge.
>>>>>> We gave our personal time not only in taking session but also training new
>>>>>> bunch of CAs and helping students in every possible way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were the face of Wikipedia on campus and we love it!
>>>>>> Like Srikanth said yes we were overloaded coz of the number of
>>>>>> students per CA was very large still we did our bit to help every students
>>>>>> by either reaching out personally and virtually.
>>>>>> One point to note here that out of 40 selected CAs(Gen 1 & 2) only 30
>>>>>> are active and out of those 30 only 20 track/follow and reach out students,
>>>>>> so in short we need more involvements for the dormant CAs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7. *Students* : We found good and bad students, student I know has
>>>>>> written a GA and I also know a student who in-spite of several warnings by
>>>>>> phone/mail and personal visits they kept copy-paste! Between the two
>>>>>> extremes there are folks who failed few times but did learned from it and
>>>>>> had become great editors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All in all the learning here is to, assess the level of students
>>>>>> based on their skill(writing especially) and their educational
>>>>>> background(rural or urban). Also we need to teach them the most important
>>>>>> thing, NOT TO COPY PASTE!!!, from the very first day of the wiki sessions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Summary*: We are challenging the status quo by bringing a new way
>>>>>> of learning and teaching things and have learned some essential lessons for
>>>>>> making this program a success in future. I would personally request my
>>>>>> fellow Wikipedians to keep a faith on us and support us in every possible
>>>>>> way coz *"helping hands are better than praying lips"*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's make this world a better place!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ram
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <
>>>>>> srik.lak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011 <de10011(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika <ntandon(a)wikimedia.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also like to share with you all some of the good articles
>>>>>>>>> that students have written.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nitika, please use right terms from next time, "Good articles" mean
>>>>>>> entirely different thing in Wikipedia. http://enwp.org/WP:GA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robinson Crusoe Economy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe_Economy>
>>>>>>>> -Another redirect, 'economy' is in lower-case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Theo,
>>>>>>> You got it wrong on that alone to best of my knowledge, probably you
>>>>>>> did it too fast. Its probably the lone GA which got churned out of the
>>>>>>> program and we could call it a lone success among several other things.
>>>>>>> Wish that editor continues wiki editing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Srikanth.L
>>>>>>>
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That is a good moment as any to advertise that page:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ;)
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livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 7 May 2012 00:08, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry Srikeit! I did assume it was Internet Explorer because I
> foolishly didnt believe that Google Chrome allows ad injection!?
> apparently it does...
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9960350/inject-advertisements-in-pages
>
> however they must be clearly marked.
>
> "ads must be outside the page's normal flow and clearly state which
> extension they are bundled with"
>
> I think it would be useful to inform Google of this, as it breaks their
> policy.
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > The screenshot shows that the person is using Chrome so I don't think
> the IE
> > point stands here.
> >
> > The ads also seem to be intermittent, my friend cannot see them anymore.
> > Usage of https may resolve the problem, but looking for a solution with
> the
> > normal Wikipedia may be necessary as several people wouldn't want to
> bother
> > with using https.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:56 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It would good to know whether using https instead of http stops the ad
> >> injection. I'm not sure that it will help.
> >>
> >> To help find the problem, we need to know what Internet Explorer
> >> add-ons have been installed on their computer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3892/manage-and-troubleshoot-addons-in-inter…
> >>
> >> Recommend using Firefox or Chrome instead of Internet Explorer. ;-)
> >>
> >> here is someone showing an ad injector working on Wikipedia in Internet
> >> Explorer
> >>
> >> http://ipensatori.com/?p=521
> >> (date : March 13th, 2012)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I think we should now recommend increased use of the secure server
> >> > link for browsing wikipedia. Hopefully that will help.
> >> >
> >> > Ashwin
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> A friend of mine found similar ads inserted (screenshot attached).
> >> >> I've
> >> >> asked her to run malware tests and an extension check.
> >> >>
> >> >> She also tweeted those dreaded words 'Wikipedia now has ads!'
> >> >>
> >> >> This can become quite an issue if the press gets hold of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any resolutions on the horizon?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM, nischay nahata <
> nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi Philippe,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would personally try to find out the extension and look into the
> >> >>> HTML
> >> >>> code it plays with but that will take a while (I am busy for few
> days
> >> >>> and we
> >> >>> have to see if the Ad shows up again). I will reply back in this
> >> >>> thread as
> >> >>> soon as I have something that can help.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Philippe Beaudette
> >> >>> <philippe(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi Nischay,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We're looking into this one. If your friend can spot the extension
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>> send us relevant code, it would be helpful.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> pb
> >> >>>> ___________________
> >> >>>> Philippe Beaudette
> >> >>>> Director, Community Advocacy
> >> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 415-839-6885, x 6643
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> philippe(a)wikimedia.org
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, nischay nahata <
> nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> One of my friend also reported seeing Ads of Jabong on Wikipedia.
> >> >>>>> Some
> >> >>>>> extension in the user's browser is most likely the source of
> >> >>>>> injection for
> >> >>>>> such Ads. Finding out which extension(s) does this will be in good
> >> >>>>> interest
> >> >>>>> of everyone.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Swaroop Rao
> >> >>>>> <raul.swaroop(a)gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> One can also see
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why_do_I_see_commercial_…
> >> >>>>>> for clarification.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Swaroop Rao
> >> >>>>>> (MikeLynch)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 23:09, Anirudh Bhati <
> anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Business Insider gave a $5bn valuation to Wikipedia in 2010. So
> >> >>>>>>> yeah,
> >> >>>>>>> that's a big market for spammers.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> anirudh
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Ramesh N G <
> rameshng(a)gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I was really amazed on the discussion on the ads on the
> >> >>>>>>>> wikipedia.
> >> >>>>>>>> Looking at the snapshot, it could really some virus or adware.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Even this should not be the way the ads come to Wikipedia,
> though
> >> >>>>>>>> I
> >> >>>>>>>> personally never will support this.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I strongly recommend the user to scan the PC for a virus,
> change
> >> >>>>>>>> browser and check. Also seen some discussion where multiple
> >> >>>>>>>> people has
> >> >>>>>>>> reported this issue.
> >> >>>>>>>> This means that Wikipedia being targeted by Viruses now!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> User:Rameshng
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> >> >>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Could be, but it wouldn't hurt to do a scan of your system and
> >> >>>>>>>>> find
> >> >>>>>>>>> out if anything is wrong with it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
> >> >>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not the techie here, but I don't think its a malware on a
> >> >>>>>>>>>> system per se. Reason being being, two different people have
> >> >>>>>>>>>> experienced it,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> same ad also from different IP's, different locations though.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> >> >>>>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely Adware/Malware/Spyware/etc.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice in the Screenshot, it says Ads Not By This Site.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It should've been a clue.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Do scan your system with a good antivirus [Free or paid
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> matter].
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If your system is infected by anything, your data might be
> at
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> risk.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --Cheers,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just saw that screenshot and remembered, even my friend
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> said,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it was by the same site, inkfruit. Some common issue??
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, now that you mention him, even a friend of mine in
> Pune
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> told
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> me that Wikipedia had started ads, to which I dared him to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> show me and in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact made a bet. He failed to show me when I asked him to,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I took it as a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> singular even, perhaps, some sort of mistake he made.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, since other
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people have started seeing this, I though I'd tell you
> that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he is not alone.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask him further details about his net connection and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to you guys on this.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Sengupta
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting- a virus that injects ads directly into the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOM.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 19:03, Bala Jeyaraman
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sodabottle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostprobably adware in his machine. A smiliar report in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portugese wikipedia is here:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.o…
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Aditya Sengupta
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A friend got in touch with me about this. He is
> currently
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except the home
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page). Here is a link to a screenshot:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These advertisements were not visible to him when I
> asked
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check through the secure WM server. These
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertisements are also not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible to him on any other web page. To the bottom
> right
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of each ad, there
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is some text that says, "ads not by this site". I've
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken a quick look
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the page source he forwarded, nothing looks
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> untoward. His
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-click menu does not appear when he right-clicks
> on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ad.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata Teleservices
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maharashtra Ltd". His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was, while he
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessed this page; I've since had him change his IP
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address since I'm
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing this one). I'm not sure if this issue is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricted to Mumbai; since
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IP address shows up in Pune when I try to geolocate
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it (though I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand this is fairly common).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is
> this:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CP…
> .
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm adding this here and copying the founder of
> Inkfruit
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the campaign
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data in the URL parameters may help identify the
> problem
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (also, I'm not sure
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've copied my friend here in case there are further
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions he could help answer.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply
> malware
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his machine? If it were the former, what would be the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal status of the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks. I was just expressing my concerns.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:24 PM Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Ashwin Sir,
>
>
>
> It is a matter of one’s personal privacy. Otherwise, I would have shared
> the delegate name immediately. This is similar to sharing Bodisattwa’s talk
> about 2016 Wikimania where I shared the relevant link on his personal
> email. If anyone is not comfortable then why force and take his name. Yes,
> 2 lakhs is not the issue but you can see why I had stated so.
>
> Anyways, I would like to say, in future if I ever need a help from say
> Bengali, Punjabi, Oriya community; Bodhisattwa, Satdeep, Subhashish would
> be the first people to come and offer their support. There is enough good
> in the Indian community and at times it does not get reflected on the
> mailing list. 😊
>
> Let me tell you, I am working on a GLAM partnership and nobody else but
> Satdeep offered me help and support. This happened this Monday itself.
>
> Discussions and Debates are just a part of the community interactions. As
> they say, the democratic process is strengthened more only when you
> practice it. By practice only we learn, ‘we learn how to be polite’, ‘how
> to maintain friendly space’, ‘how to be kind etc’. Anyways, If I have been
> rude, I would like to apologize straight away.
>
>
>
> @ Subhashish: Thank You For The Positive Message. I am also happy to learn
> about activities in your User Group.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:57 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <
> psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Abhinav, I think it's a valid expectation for a public report from any
>> volunteer in the movement when the donation money is spent. So, please
>> don't apologize to me. But there are many factors — priorities in life,
>> time commitment, need for something, and many more that stops one from
>> being available for post-event documentation.
>>
>> Maybe the following would help explain. Our user group tries to document
>> a lot. To put things into a perspective, our recent-most event, the 16th
>> anniversary of Odia Wikipedia, has a long and detailed documentation in
>> Odia (https://or.wikipedia.org/s/1bia) - thanks to contributors like
>> Sangram Keshari Senapati, Bikash Ojha and many others who managed to
>> document a lot of valuable portions from the discussions. We have recorded
>> about 50 Gb of interviews and sessions just during this event that we now
>> have no bandwidth to edit and upload. It will take a few more months for us
>> to do that. :)
>>
>> As a new user group, we have also supported neighboring communities like
>> Santali where we interviewed many of the active and new Wikimedians (almost
>> 50 Gbs of media again) during a workshop that we helped organize with
>> support from A2K.
>>
>> These are just a couple of examples of what we intend to do and how
>> things turn up differently in reality. Trust me, we really want to document
>> publicly as much as we can and there are genuine factors that slow many of
>> us down. But point noted - there is always a room for improvement. I
>> personally assumed that as there is a Etherpad note that Tito and others at
>> A2K had created during the two-day meeting, sharing that with the community
>> was enough. We indeed had a discussion and Sailesh who works at A2K and
>> other colleagues at our user group can share more about the same.
>>
>> Subhashish
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:20 PM Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Netha,
>>>
>>> I had no idea about you neither I am directing at you. This is for other
>>> Wikimedias residing in India.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the inconveniences.
>>>
>>> Abhinav
>>>
>>> On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 5:18 PM Netha Hussain, <nethahussain(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> My response to Abhinav's question, just to clarify about my attendance
>>>> at WMCON 18 :
>>>>
>>>> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate in
>>>> the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of them
>>>> was invited? I wish to hear.
>>>>
>>>> I am an Indian Wikimedian and I was selected by the WMF to participate
>>>> in Wikimedia Conference 2018. I attended in my capacity as a volunteer and
>>>> delivered the Diversity statement and led the diversity discussion
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Documentation/Mov…>
>>>> there. I was not informed about this Bangalore conference conducted by the
>>>> CIS, and I do not expect to be invited because I live in a different
>>>> country, and flying me to India would have been very expensive.
>>>> Additionally, my role in WMCON 2018 was to talk specifically about
>>>> Diversity, which is not exclusively an India-related topic. I did not
>>>> represent any affiliate from India, either.
>>>>
>>>> The complete list of participants who attended WMCON 18 can be found
>>>> here
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_L…>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Netha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 13:28, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Tanveer and Subhashish,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You, Tanveer for acknowledging, responding, apologizing and most
>>>>> importantly assuring on transparency.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have a few concerns and I wish to write back. I would
>>>>> appreciate if I can hear back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.) Your proposal also mentions on inviting Experienced Indian
>>>>> Wikimedians. While, as per your response I do not find any Wikimedian
>>>>> attending in this category. I would like to record a suggestion. Bengaluru
>>>>> is one of the highly populated cities and also comprising a high number of
>>>>> migrant populations. In the upcoming events, you can invite Experience
>>>>> Wikimedians from other languages groups which still do not have a User
>>>>> Group and are based in Bengaluru. They may not be attending the Wikimedia
>>>>> Conference in Berlin, they may not be even from your focused languages. The
>>>>> idea is very similar to the statement put forward by your organization and
>>>>> Wikimedia India during the Wiki Conference India, “While some communities
>>>>> have dynamic leaders and enough community level activity…….this cannot be
>>>>> said for all communities.”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate in
>>>>> the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of them
>>>>> was invited? I wish to hear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.) Once you complete the Meta page, I would request you to please
>>>>> share on this thread. I would encourage you and your team to document as
>>>>> much as you can about your activities on Meta.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.) It is already to my understanding that the absence of your
>>>>> communication manager has led to defaults in your newsletter. I would like
>>>>> to re-iterate as documented on the other mail thread, Wikimedia Communities
>>>>> are voluntary driven, some staff should devote time and keep sharing. This
>>>>> is just a suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> @ Subhashish: Sorry to cross-post a bit from the other thread, I
>>>>> happened to miss your last message since another message popped in within
>>>>> 10 minutes and I couldn’t distinguish. I believe putting comments about
>>>>> your personal experiences at Wikimedia Movements wasn’t the best sportive
>>>>> thing one could do. Since those were put on a public thread, so, on a
>>>>> public thread, I would like to *apologize*. I still may remain
>>>>> unconvinced on not having bandwidth, reports and other issues, but, Yes, I
>>>>> shouldn’t have brought your personal story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I advise Odia User Group to be more active in documenting about
>>>>> such works on their Meta page and Village Pump. Our communities are too big
>>>>> in nature, they often get sorted into two haves – one who dedicate more
>>>>> time to the movement and remain known faces amongst each other, two- who
>>>>> edit but devote less time to activities but they also put their
>>>>> contributions. There are numerous such silent editors in every community.
>>>>> Please take this only to be a suggestion, no negative remarks here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> @Satdeep : I was expecting to hear from you. As Tanveer, points out on
>>>>> having spent roughly Rs 2 lakhs, this is amount is much more than that
>>>>> spent on to endorse a scholarship to Wikimania. But that’s not my
>>>>> question, I think we should refrain from that on this thread. You were a
>>>>> part of the conference were no heeds to transparency and reporting was made
>>>>> (even the CIS-A2K staff accepts this). Secondly, you hold a chair in AffCom
>>>>> and also a WMF staff (yes part-time). I am of the opinion that neutrality
>>>>> has somewhere been disturbed at your end. A personal freindly suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Abhinav
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <
>>>>> psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Tanveer for this frank clarification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>, I didn't check earlier
>>>>>> that there is a point concerning me. So just a small clarification - my
>>>>>> point was not to show how A2K organized the event in a non-transparent way
>>>>>> but to share the fact that I was a participant and did not know very well
>>>>>> what went behind organizing the event. Also, I participated in my capacity
>>>>>> of a rep of Odia Wikimedians User Group who happened to live in Bangalore
>>>>>> (so it was logistically cheaper even though we didn't go to WMCON this
>>>>>> year). For the record, Tanveer did share with me about this factor and the
>>>>>> second factor — that our UG will be eligible next year to send a rep — for
>>>>>> inviting me. My participation was not in the capacity of a former employee
>>>>>> of CIS. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subhashish
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM Tanveer Hasan <
>>>>>> hasanremembers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Abhinav,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find our responses below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==Conference==
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru this
>>>>>>> summer?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, we organised a WMCON India 2018 as per our proposal [1] that
>>>>>>> was submitted to the FDC in March 2017.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities were
>>>>>>> invited?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The delegates were not selected by CIS. Participants
>>>>>>> invited/selected by WMF to participate in WMCON 2018 [2] in Berlin were
>>>>>>> invited to this meeting. User Group representatives who will be
>>>>>>> participating in WMCON 2019 (residing in Bangalore) were invited to
>>>>>>> participate as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on your
>>>>>>> response to part b) was an official notification sent via village pump,
>>>>>>> mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the participants were already selected by another affiliate of
>>>>>>> WMF, we did not want to reinvent the process and hence sent them personal
>>>>>>> emails as invite to this conference. We apologise for not sending out the
>>>>>>> event agenda and details about the event on mailing list and village pump
>>>>>>> of all the Indic communities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the
>>>>>>> process?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our intention was not to be ‘non transparent’, the participant list
>>>>>>> was put up by WMDE Conference organising team and we invited only those
>>>>>>> people whose name featured in the official participant list. Sunil Abraham,
>>>>>>> Executive Director, CIS and Ananth Subray, Program Associate, A2K,
>>>>>>> Subhashish Panigrahi, representing Odia User group and Dr. U.B. Pavanaja,
>>>>>>> representing Karavali Wikimedians User Group were the only participants who
>>>>>>> were present whose name was not on the Participants list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not
>>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the
>>>>>>> question is NO)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to reiterate that our intention was not to be
>>>>>>> ‘non-transparent’. A2K team apologises for not sending out adequate
>>>>>>> information to communities and requisite channels of communication. We will
>>>>>>> strive to improve our communication with the community for all of our
>>>>>>> events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the
>>>>>>> community?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a meta page that had been created but has not been
>>>>>>> completed. We will priorotise the reporting of this event and revert with
>>>>>>> relevant updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We used an approximate amount of INR.2 lakh for this event. Major
>>>>>>> expenses were incurred in arranging transport and hospitality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff
>>>>>>> during the workshop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Four members of the CIS-A2K team participated in the meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Sunil Abraham, Executive Director was the chief facilitator on
>>>>>>> Day 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tanveer Hasan and Tito Dutta were organisers and co-facilitators for
>>>>>>> the conversations for both days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ananth Subray attended the event to coordinate logistics and
>>>>>>> reimbursements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==Reports==
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly
>>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have defaulted on our newsletter because of the exit of our
>>>>>>> communications officer. All the reports are updated here [3]. We will also
>>>>>>> update reports here [4] at the earliest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will do our best to update reports by the end of this month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1].
>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Work_plan_July_2017_-_June_2018/Ski…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2].
>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_L…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [3]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [4]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Reports
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ಭಾನು, ಆಗ 5, 2018 ರಂದು 07:22 ಪೂರ್ವಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Abhinav
>>>>>>> srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com> ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank You Tito for your mail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would request you to address the issues within 10 days from now.
>>>>>>>> This is just a request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, one of your colleagues and also my friend informed me that he
>>>>>>>> wanted to reply but his e-mail is being moderated or blacklisted. I have
>>>>>>>> taken this issue with the mailing list admins and the admins have looked
>>>>>>>> into the issue clarifying the said collegeue wasn’t moderated or
>>>>>>>> blacklisted. In case, any issue still arises, please ping me and I will do
>>>>>>>> my best to settle this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank You for writing back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Abhinav
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018, Tito Dutta <trulytito(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Abhinav,
>>>>>>>>> On behalf of the team, I confirm that we have received your
>>>>>>>>> questions. Thanks for these questions.
>>>>>>>>> We have a hectic schedule right now because of few things such as
>>>>>>>>> CIS (the main institution's) strategy meet, staff transition, grant report,
>>>>>>>>> and some other works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Transparency and accountability are very important topics. If
>>>>>>>>> things are not clear for a couple of events, we must work on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some other member or I'll get back with answers in a few days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (I am cc-ing Sunil Abraham, ED, of the institution, in this email)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Tito Dutta
>>>>>>>>> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free
>>>>>>>>> to remind me over email or phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 13:47, Abhinav srivastava <
>>>>>>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends From CIS-A2K,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing up a discussion based on few of the concerns
>>>>>>>>>> expressed on the other mail thread. I would like to acknowledge on record,
>>>>>>>>>> the past few years CIS-A2K has reached out to communities (besides Focussed
>>>>>>>>>> Language Area) much more effectively. I may be the first person to say this
>>>>>>>>>> publicly but I am sure many more would echo my views here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now what concerns me and something CIS-A2K already knows, when
>>>>>>>>>> the community has started acknowledging your work much more, CIS-A2K has
>>>>>>>>>> been acting as the necessary intervention in times of crisis why
>>>>>>>>>> transparency is being not paid its due.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I list some of my questions which everyone is already aware of
>>>>>>>>>> and would request a reply. I would request you to not break the bullet and
>>>>>>>>>> reply each of them separately. Of course! If you are comfortable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ==Conference==
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru
>>>>>>>>>> this summer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities were
>>>>>>>>>> invited?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on your
>>>>>>>>>> response to part b) was an official notification sent via village pump,
>>>>>>>>>> mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the
>>>>>>>>>> process?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not
>>>>>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the
>>>>>>>>>> question is NO)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the
>>>>>>>>>> community?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff
>>>>>>>>>> during the workshop?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ==Reports==
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly
>>>>>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Satdeep: I could not find any Meta page but I do find a page
>>>>>>>>>> which is put under-construction and this mentions you. Were you a part of
>>>>>>>>>> this? If Yes, I am not able to understand, the entire argument you had
>>>>>>>>>> posted yesterday about reporting guidelines and transparency.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only If, You Were A Party to This.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To Everyone, I understand I may be playing the devil’s role here.
>>>>>>>>>> Some of my close aides have already advised me to stay back since I am
>>>>>>>>>> damaging my personal reputation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My argument is simple if my personal image promotes inclusiveness
>>>>>>>>>> and transparency. I will be happy to remain a soldier fighting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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As most of these ads seem to be from www.inkfruit.com which is not a
malware site, can we not contact them as if word gets out, it might be
damaging to their reliability as a shopping site also. I only say this as
the code doesn't seem to be available. As for the https solution, it might
fix the problem for all of us but Wikipedia is not only about us, its about
the millions of users who access it everyday for almost everything. I don't
think that they will now or even bother to use https and am pretty sure
they will think the ads are by Wikipedia.
I say this as when my friend saw the ad, he believed that Wikipedia had
started it, and I clarified only when he told me, so this would do huge
damage to the reputation of a free encyclopaedia even though it might not
be our fault, esp since we have no way of clarifying to them about the
injection by malware.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Béria Lima <berialima(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That is a good moment as any to advertise that page:
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ;)
> _____
> *Béria Lima*
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>
>
>
> On 7 May 2012 00:08, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Srikeit! I did assume it was Internet Explorer because I
>> foolishly didnt believe that Google Chrome allows ad injection!?
>> apparently it does...
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9960350/inject-advertisements-in-pages
>>
>> however they must be clearly marked.
>>
>> "ads must be outside the page's normal flow and clearly state which
>> extension they are bundled with"
>>
>> I think it would be useful to inform Google of this, as it breaks their
>> policy.
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The screenshot shows that the person is using Chrome so I don't think
>> the IE
>> > point stands here.
>> >
>> > The ads also seem to be intermittent, my friend cannot see them anymore.
>> > Usage of https may resolve the problem, but looking for a solution with
>> the
>> > normal Wikipedia may be necessary as several people wouldn't want to
>> bother
>> > with using https.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:56 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It would good to know whether using https instead of http stops the ad
>> >> injection. I'm not sure that it will help.
>> >>
>> >> To help find the problem, we need to know what Internet Explorer
>> >> add-ons have been installed on their computer.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3892/manage-and-troubleshoot-addons-in-inter…
>> >>
>> >> Recommend using Firefox or Chrome instead of Internet Explorer. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> here is someone showing an ad injector working on Wikipedia in Internet
>> >> Explorer
>> >>
>> >> http://ipensatori.com/?p=521
>> >> (date : March 13th, 2012)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I think we should now recommend increased use of the secure server
>> >> > link for browsing wikipedia. Hopefully that will help.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ashwin
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Srikeit <srikeit(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> A friend of mine found similar ads inserted (screenshot attached).
>> >> >> I've
>> >> >> asked her to run malware tests and an extension check.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> She also tweeted those dreaded words 'Wikipedia now has ads!'
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This can become quite an issue if the press gets hold of it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any resolutions on the horizon?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM, nischay nahata <
>> nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hi Philippe,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I would personally try to find out the extension and look into the
>> >> >>> HTML
>> >> >>> code it plays with but that will take a while (I am busy for few
>> days
>> >> >>> and we
>> >> >>> have to see if the Ad shows up again). I will reply back in this
>> >> >>> thread as
>> >> >>> soon as I have something that can help.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Philippe Beaudette
>> >> >>> <philippe(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi Nischay,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> We're looking into this one. If your friend can spot the
>> extension
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> send us relevant code, it would be helpful.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> pb
>> >> >>>> ___________________
>> >> >>>> Philippe Beaudette
>> >> >>>> Director, Community Advocacy
>> >> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 415-839-6885, x 6643
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> philippe(a)wikimedia.org
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, nischay nahata <
>> nischayn22(a)gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> One of my friend also reported seeing Ads of Jabong on Wikipedia.
>> >> >>>>> Some
>> >> >>>>> extension in the user's browser is most likely the source of
>> >> >>>>> injection for
>> >> >>>>> such Ads. Finding out which extension(s) does this will be in
>> good
>> >> >>>>> interest
>> >> >>>>> of everyone.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Swaroop Rao
>> >> >>>>> <raul.swaroop(a)gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> One can also see
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why_do_I_see_commercial_…
>> >> >>>>>> for clarification.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Swaroop Rao
>> >> >>>>>> (MikeLynch)
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 23:09, Anirudh Bhati <
>> anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Business Insider gave a $5bn valuation to Wikipedia in 2010.
>> So
>> >> >>>>>>> yeah,
>> >> >>>>>>> that's a big market for spammers.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> anirudh
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Ramesh N G <
>> rameshng(a)gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> I was really amazed on the discussion on the ads on the
>> >> >>>>>>>> wikipedia.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Looking at the snapshot, it could really some virus or adware.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Even this should not be the way the ads come to Wikipedia,
>> though
>> >> >>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>> personally never will support this.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> I strongly recommend the user to scan the PC for a virus,
>> change
>> >> >>>>>>>> browser and check. Also seen some discussion where multiple
>> >> >>>>>>>> people has
>> >> >>>>>>>> reported this issue.
>> >> >>>>>>>> This means that Wikipedia being targeted by Viruses now!
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> User:Rameshng
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> >> >>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Could be, but it wouldn't hurt to do a scan of your system
>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>> find
>> >> >>>>>>>>> out if anything is wrong with it.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
>> >> >>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not the techie here, but I don't think its a malware on
>> a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> system per se. Reason being being, two different people have
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> experienced it,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> same ad also from different IP's, different locations
>> though.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely Adware/Malware/Spyware/etc.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice in the Screenshot, it says Ads Not By This Site.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It should've been a clue.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Do scan your system with a good antivirus [Free or paid
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> matter].
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If your system is infected by anything, your data might be
>> at
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> risk.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just saw that screenshot and remembered, even my friend
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> said,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it was by the same site, inkfruit. Some common issue??
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, now that you mention him, even a friend of mine in
>> Pune
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> told
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> me that Wikipedia had started ads, to which I dared him
>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> show me and in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact made a bet. He failed to show me when I asked him
>> to,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I took it as a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> singular even, perhaps, some sort of mistake he made.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, since other
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people have started seeing this, I though I'd tell you
>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he is not alone.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask him further details about his net connection and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to you guys on this.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Sengupta
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting- a virus that injects ads directly into the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOM.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 19:03, Bala Jeyaraman
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sodabottle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostprobably adware in his machine. A smiliar report in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portugese wikipedia is here:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.o…
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Aditya Sengupta
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <apsengupta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A friend got in touch with me about this. He is
>> currently
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except the home
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page). Here is a link to a screenshot:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These advertisements were not visible to him when I
>> asked
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check through the secure WM server. These
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertisements are also not
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible to him on any other web page. To the bottom
>> right
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of each ad, there
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is some text that says, "ads not by this site". I've
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken a quick look
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the page source he forwarded, nothing looks
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> untoward. His
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-click menu does not appear when he right-clicks
>> on
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ad.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata
>> Teleservices
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maharashtra Ltd". His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was, while he
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessed this page; I've since had him change his IP
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address since I'm
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing this one). I'm not sure if this issue is
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricted to Mumbai; since
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IP address shows up in Pune when I try to
>> geolocate
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it (though I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand this is fairly common).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is
>> this:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CP…
>> .
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm adding this here and copying the founder of
>> Inkfruit
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the campaign
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data in the URL parameters may help identify the
>> problem
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (also, I'm not sure
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've copied my friend here in case there are further
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions he could help answer.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply
>> malware
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his machine? If it were the former, what would be the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal status of the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative
>> place
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it
>> is a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toll Plaza.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Debanjan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is
>> a
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Toll
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Plaza.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> --
>> >> >>>>> With Regards
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Nischay Nahata
>> >> >>>>> B.tech 3rd year
>> >> >>>>> Department of Information Technology
>> >> >>>>> NITK,Surathkal
>> >> >>>>>
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> With Regards
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Nischay Nahata
>> >> >>> B.tech 3rd year
>> >> >>> Department of Information Technology
>> >> >>> NITK,Surathkal
>> >> >>>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Srikeit Tadepalli
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Warm regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Ashwin Baindur
>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------
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>> >
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