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Maximilian Doerr

29 Jun 2015 29 Jun '15

10:45 p.m.

With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I'm still unclear with what Elee set up. Where's the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator

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Mr. Donald J. Fortier II

29 Jun 29 Jun

10:48 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I Haven't logged in or looked or tried to see what we have at all. I'm very busy with school right now, I will get back to it soon though. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 16:45 Subject:[xTools] Getting the tools moved With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator

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Eugene Lee

10:53 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Mr. Donald J. Fortier II

10:57 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'm thinking we will need MySQL. I want to create a page/interface for configuring tools and configuring admins/moderators from a web UI to make it simple. Sure, we don't need it just yet, but we will. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Eugene Lee" <leee(a)mit.edu> Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 16:53 Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Mr. Donald J. Fortier II

30 Jun 30 Jun

12:48 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

We will also need MySQL or some kind of database for xTools' IRC bot. I was thinking about basing it around wm-bot, and am now thinking about basing it on Helpmebot v7 core instead. We'll need DB for channel configs and user rights. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Mr. Donald J. Fortier II" <technical_13(a)yahoo.com> Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 16:57 Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved I'm thinking we will need MySQL. I want to create a page/interface for configuring tools and configuring admins/moderators from a web UI to make it simple. Sure, we don't need it just yet, but we will. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Eugene Lee" <leee(a)mit.edu> Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 16:53 Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Maximilian Doerr

29 Jun 29 Jun

11:17 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Eugene Lee

11:25 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Maximilian Doerr

11:27 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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MusikAnimal

11:37 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Maximilian Doerr

11:40 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of MusikAnimal Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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L235 Wikipedia

11:52 p.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I have a couple minor things: - Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical client then committing and pushing on the instance]? - Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? - The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if you're *that* desperate. - What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation easier. - Again, SCP is a thing. - I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the machine and possibly suggest improvements? - Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF Git/Gerrit setup? Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Eugene Lee

30 Jun 30 Jun

12:05 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

1. the former ensures whatever version we have in whatever branch is what's running in production. it's preferred over (s)ftp/scp nonsense, and ensures we don't deal with "scriptsv1.file" and "scriptsv2-wrong-one.file" 2. yeup. got keys? 3. yeah, we're not going to deal with NFS, but yes, scp, and download out of desperation. 4. yeah, the entire legacy product is a sad bundle. 5. ++ 6. sure, I'll deal in a few. 7. unsure - the code is already on github. I'd be down for either or, but believe since people already like github (I know I do) it'll probably stay there. Regardless, setting up hooks is simple. Cheers, --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:52 PM, L235 Wikipedia <lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com

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> I have a couple minor things: > > - Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making > the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and > pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical > client then committing and pushing on the instance]? > - Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? > - The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases > you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs > machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if > you're *that* desperate. > - What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify > over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation > easier. > - Again, SCP is a thing. > - I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 > bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova > project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the > machine and possibly suggest improvements? > - Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF > Git/Gerrit setup? > > > Thanks, > L235 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr < > maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com

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> >> Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in >> handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the >> repo. >> >> >> >> Cyberpower678 >> >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal >> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM >> >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved >> >> >> >> If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A >> change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo >> anyway, no? >> >> >> >> On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >

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>> >> I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my >> FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things >> visually helps me. >> >> >> >> Cyberpower678 >> >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee >> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM >> >> >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved >> >> >> >> People still use (S)FTP!? >> >> >> >> If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's >> a reason why bastion is in place. >> >> >> --leee >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr < >> maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com

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>> >> Can we SFTP into it at least? >> >> >> >> Cyberpower678 >> >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee >> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved >> >> >> >> There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared >> environment. >> >> >> >> This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL >> since we don't need a server. >> >> >> >> Things get served from /var/www. >> >> >> >> Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has >> (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to >> this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). >> >> >> >> --leee >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < >> maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com

wrote:

>> >> With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. >> But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html >> folder located? >> >> >> >> Cyberpower678 >> >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon > xTools mailing list > xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools > >

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Maximilian Doerr

12:22 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Hold on a second. New members need to be discussed first. I have absolutely no idea who L235 is. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:05 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved 1. the former ensures whatever version we have in whatever branch is what's running in production. it's preferred over (s)ftp/scp nonsense, and ensures we don't deal with "scriptsv1.file" and "scriptsv2-wrong-one.file" 2. yeup. got keys? 3. yeah, we're not going to deal with NFS, but yes, scp, and download out of desperation. 4. yeah, the entire legacy product is a sad bundle. 5. ++ 6. sure, I'll deal in a few. 7. unsure - the code is already on github. I'd be down for either or, but believe since people already like github (I know I do) it'll probably stay there. Regardless, setting up hooks is simple. Cheers, --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:52 PM, L235 Wikipedia <lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have a couple minor things: * Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical client then committing and pushing on the instance]? * Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? * The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if you're *that* desperate. * What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation easier. * Again, SCP is a thing. * I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the machine and possibly suggest improvements? * Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF Git/Gerrit setup? Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of MusikAnimal Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Eugene Lee

12:23 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

He only has read bits to see how we configured stuff, but no write or mod. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hold on a second. New members need to be discussed first. I have absolutely no idea who L235 is. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:05 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved 1. the former ensures whatever version we have in whatever branch is what's running in production. it's preferred over (s)ftp/scp nonsense, and ensures we don't deal with "scriptsv1.file" and "scriptsv2-wrong-one.file" 2. yeup. got keys? 3. yeah, we're not going to deal with NFS, but yes, scp, and download out of desperation. 4. yeah, the entire legacy product is a sad bundle. 5. ++ 6. sure, I'll deal in a few. 7. unsure - the code is already on github. I'd be down for either or, but believe since people already like github (I know I do) it'll probably stay there. Regardless, setting up hooks is simple. Cheers, --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:52 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have a couple minor things: - Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical client then committing and pushing on the instance]? - Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? - The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if you're *that* desperate. - What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation easier. - Again, SCP is a thing. - I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the machine and possibly suggest improvements? - Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF Git/Gerrit setup? Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Maximilian Doerr

12:26 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Well fine. So the directory path is /var/www/? So xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/ is located in /var/www/ec/ ? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:24 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved He only has read bits to see how we configured stuff, but no write or mod. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hold on a second. New members need to be discussed first. I have absolutely no idea who L235 is. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:05 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved 1. the former ensures whatever version we have in whatever branch is what's running in production. it's preferred over (s)ftp/scp nonsense, and ensures we don't deal with "scriptsv1.file" and "scriptsv2-wrong-one.file" 2. yeup. got keys? 3. yeah, we're not going to deal with NFS, but yes, scp, and download out of desperation. 4. yeah, the entire legacy product is a sad bundle. 5. ++ 6. sure, I'll deal in a few. 7. unsure - the code is already on github. I'd be down for either or, but believe since people already like github (I know I do) it'll probably stay there. Regardless, setting up hooks is simple. Cheers, --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:52 PM, L235 Wikipedia <lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have a couple minor things: * Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical client then committing and pushing on the instance]? * Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? * The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if you're *that* desperate. * What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation easier. * Again, SCP is a thing. * I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the machine and possibly suggest improvements? * Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF Git/Gerrit setup? Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of MusikAnimal Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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L235 Wikipedia

12:28 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Sorry, I've already SSHd in; I can delete my homedir, you can pull access, and I'll be out the door, if you want. Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Well fine. So the directory path is /var/www/? So xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/ is located in /var/www/ec/ ? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:24 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved He only has read bits to see how we configured stuff, but no write or mod. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hold on a second. New members need to be discussed first. I have absolutely no idea who L235 is. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:05 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved 1. the former ensures whatever version we have in whatever branch is what's running in production. it's preferred over (s)ftp/scp nonsense, and ensures we don't deal with "scriptsv1.file" and "scriptsv2-wrong-one.file" 2. yeup. got keys? 3. yeah, we're not going to deal with NFS, but yes, scp, and download out of desperation. 4. yeah, the entire legacy product is a sad bundle. 5. ++ 6. sure, I'll deal in a few. 7. unsure - the code is already on github. I'd be down for either or, but believe since people already like github (I know I do) it'll probably stay there. Regardless, setting up hooks is simple. Cheers, --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:52 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have a couple minor things: - Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical client then committing and pushing on the instance]? - Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? - The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if you're *that* desperate. - What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation easier. - Again, SCP is a thing. - I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the machine and possibly suggest improvements? - Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF Git/Gerrit setup? Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Mr. Donald J. Fortier II

12:25 a.m.

New subject: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I have nothing against L235, but don't remember it even being brought up. T13 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:23 Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved Hold on a second. New members need to be discussed first. I have absolutely no idea who L235 is. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:05 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved 1. the former ensures whatever version we have in whatever branch is what's running in production. it's preferred over (s)ftp/scp nonsense, and ensures we don't deal with "scriptsv1.file" and "scriptsv2-wrong-one.file" 2. yeup. got keys? 3. yeah, we're not going to deal with NFS, but yes, scp, and download out of desperation. 4. yeah, the entire legacy product is a sad bundle. 5. ++ 6. sure, I'll deal in a few. 7. unsure - the code is already on github. I'd be down for either or, but believe since people already like github (I know I do) it'll probably stay there. Regardless, setting up hooks is simple. Cheers, --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:52 PM, L235 Wikipedia <lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have a couple minor things: Is there a difference between [cloning the git repo locally, making the changes locally - with a GUI - and then committing, pushing, and pulling/cloning on the instance] and [updating via SFTP on a graphical client then committing and pushing on the instance]?Can't you inspect error logs via SSH/grep? The darned machine is connected over the internet; in the rare cases you truly need a file, you can be a little creative. NFS it to another labs machine, or SCP, heck, put it in /var/www for long enough to download it if you're *that* desperate.What files do you have that aren't on the repo that you can't modify over SSH? If there are many, might need to consider making installation easier. Again, SCP is a thing.I was going to ask this separately, but since I already have 10 bullet points, might as well here: could I have "member" access on the Nova project for this tool, so I can see how you're configuring things on the machine and possibly suggest improvements?Why are you guys hosting the code on GitHub instead of on the WMF Git/Gerrit setup? Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, true, but the visual aspect is still there. It could also come in handy to fetch an error log perhaps, or updating files that aren’t on the repo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of MusikAnimal Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:37 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved If we're talking just code changes, what's wrong with git and GitHub? A change you SFTP over will need to be committed and pushed to the repo anyway, no? On 29 June 2015 at 17:27, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: I like SFTP, and simplifies many things for me. It also lets me use my FTP GUI which helps me to visualize the setup better. Seeing things visually helps me. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:26 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved People still use (S)FTP!? If it's explicitly wanted, I'll setup the appropriate ports, but there's a reason why bastion is in place. --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can we SFTP into it at least? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:54 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved There is no public_html folder! =] We're no longer using a shared environment. This is your traditional LAMP stack (for each host of course) sans MySQL since we don't need a server. Things get served from /var/www. Like I said, what we need to figure out is what dependencies xtools has (in regards to PHP modules). In addition, file paths need to be pointed to this new directory (sidenote: relative paths are always better). --leee On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: With our environment on xtools.wmflabs.org set up we need to move it. But I’m still unclear with what Elee set up. Where’s the public_html folder located? 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