On 10Aug, 2015, at 23:48, Maximilian Doerr
<maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com <mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com>> wrote:
Kudpung, I understand what you want. You want a usable tool, and I am trying to make
that happen. You want a tool that works, that provides all the information you need in a
timely fashion on a single page.
Right now, I feel I am the only person who can spare time into dedicating the effort into
restoring the tools to their former glory and getting them stable once and for all. If I
had some assistance things could move faster.
On a side note, you're talking apples and oranges here. Most sites are made by paid
programmers, who are paid to devote their time to programming. I'm a mere student in
college.
Cyberpower678
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On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:39, Chris <cs(a)edubkk.org <mailto:cs@edubkk.org>>
wrote:
No we don’t want to ‘think of it’ as anything, we
want to know what we are getting. We still have’t got are complete answers to my
questions
And many others would like to know who the individuals are who are responsible for this
suite of tools or suites of tools so that we can better get help when they don’t work
which most of the time they don’t.
As far as we are concered an edit counter is a tool and we end users are not interested
in how many items they are made up of. It’s like visitors to a web site don’t care if
it's a php content managed site or a static html page, they just want a web page that
is readable and useable. Is that so hard to understand?
Time these months old issues were addressed by people who are available and who don’t
keep dodging the issues. Unfotunately as we are a volunteer organisation, there is no way
of forcing pure code writers to understand what the end users need.
Kudpung
> On 10Aug, 2015, at 21:48, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com
<mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To address that though, I have created multiquery functions, which don’t need redis
and separate python scripts, which are as of now untested, which should speed up the
tools.
>
> From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:30 AM
> To: Discussion list for xTools
> Subject: Re: [xTools] xTools rewrite underway
>
> xTools is a suite of tools, not just an edit counter. "Detailed edit
counter" is not fitting, instead just think of it as the "xTools edit
counter". There are LOTS of edit counters, not just Supercount and the one included
in XTools (look at the labs directory). Naming them "simple" and
"detailed" rids the authorship and originality aspect of the service.
>
> For xTools, you can open any tab in a new window by right-clicking and selecting open
in a new tab. Supercount's tabs are part of a single-page app so this is not possible
there. Internally, this makes sense, as you would not want to perform the same query on
every page, so put it all on one page (by contrast each tab on xTools is a different
tool).
>
> The speed of the counters is at the mercy of replication database performance and the
size of the query. If you query for a user with less than 10,000 edits it will run
reasonably fast. If you run the same query on a user with 50,000+ edits it's going to
take considerably longer, and that's true for any edit counter. Some counters might be
faster than others, but I'd guess that's purely how they construct the queries,
which we can work to improve.
>
> Max, I have a counter of my own that I've been working on for which I borrowed
many of the queries from xTools. I can get those to you shortly.
>
> On 10 August 2015 at 09:26, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com
<mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Supercount:
> 1. It was and only has been under my maintenance.
>
> 2. If you want an edit counter that displays on a single page, use xTools.
>
> 3. Why? What purpose would that serve. That would leave you with the form on
one tab and the results in another?
>
> 4. I have never seen the tool take more than 30 seconds to load. And quite
frankly it never crashed during this fiasco either.
>
> 5. The name was given as I had intentions to make the edit counter more
capable. But now that xTools exists I might as well rename it.
>
>
> xTools:
> 1. The xTools team, which seems to be primarily me once again at the moment.
xTools is a bundle of tools, initially written by X!.
>
> 2. What pop-out cake parts? All information is on one page already.
>
> 3. Again. Why?
>
> 4. This tool is usually faster than supercount, when the tool isn’t
overloaded.
>
> 5. In this case, we are preserving the name X!’s Edit Counter
>
>
>
> Cyberpower678
> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team
> Mailing List Moderator
>
>
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<mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org>] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:34 AM
> To: Discussion list for xTools
> Subject: Re: [xTools] xTools rewrite underway
>
> The community has various uses for X-tools and user editing analysis. Also users
are confused about what are X-tools and what are other tools, especially when there
are perhaps several tools by different developers that do basically the same things
>
> I believe that the developers may possibly not be fully aware of these uses and
therefore may not take them all into consideration.
>
> WE have some confusion because there are two edit counters. First and foremost
there is the question of user edit counters. Some users consider these to be gimmiks or
gadgets (toys) but there are situations were these are required for very serious
research and they need to display in a manner that is appropriate for serious users.
>
> Supercount
> Who is now responsible for the maintenance of this tool?
> Can it be reverted to its former presentation without the pop-out cake parts and
having all the information on one page?
> Can it be designed to open in a new tab?
> Can it be designed to load in a few seconds instead of a few minutes?
> Can it be given a name that tell us waht it does> e.g. Simple edit counter
>
> Analysis X-tools
> Who is now responsible for the maintenance of this tool? Or is X-tools a set of
different tools?
> Can it be reverted to its former presentation without the pop-out cake parts and
having all the information on one page?
> Cam it be designed to open in a new tab?
> Can it be designed to load in a few seconds instead of a few minutes?
> Can it be given a name that tell us waht it does e.g. Detailed edit counter
>
> Kudpung
>
>
>> On 10 Aug 2015, at 10:37, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com
<mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys. I’ve been working on fashioning up the new file and classes for a more
organized and less dependent code structure.
>>
>> T13, do you think you can dig through the edit counter and articleinfo codes and
fetch me all the queries each use to gather the needed information on both the database
and API?
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