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Željko Blaće

21 Dec 2021 21 Dec '21

4:14 a.m.

Dear All - Last December 6th special meeting event on Wikipedia and NFT with a few invited guests made me think we could do meeting that are relevant beyond our immediate scope and be more visible... ...but also last week I was almost topic-banned on HR Wikipedia (Croatian) as none of the Admins knew what Wikimedian in Residence is and were thinking it is either paid editing or problematic self-promotion (when I was actually unemployed :-))) So after a successful event and a monthly HR drama, I am thinking what can we do better to increase WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. For people coming from most of the arts the notion of artist-in-residence is super familiar and easy to relate to, but average Wikipedian (if there is such thing) has very few chances to come across this term as well as to grasp what Wikimedian in Residence is. Only 27 Wikipedia instances have articles on WiRs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3809586 What could be good strategies to change that? 15 years ago (so we missed it by a week) on December 13, 2006 we got this text as a start http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-propo… Maybe we can draft something short quickly today and just pass it on later in the day to Wikimedia-L and potentially to the DIFF Blog of WMF? Elsewhere? Best Z

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Andrew Lih

21 Dec 21 Dec

7:36 p.m.

Actually, this might be a good time to implement what we had talked about for the last year which is a "statement of WIR princples" that might be different than the meta page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedian_in_residence In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does. The difficulty in writing about WIR is that it may or may not be in line with a particular community's conflict of interest or paid editing policies. For example, French and Italian accept paid editors (even from for-profit corporate entities) quite openly, whereas some other communities (like English Wikipedia) would view them very unfavorably. So I'm open to ideas on what we might do to advocate for WIR in particular communities. It will be challenging to come up with just one page to capture all that. Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing: https://thewikipedian.net/2014/08/12/wikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about… -Andrew On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:

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-- -Andrew Lih Author of The Wikipedia Revolution US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015) Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American University, Columbia University, USC --- Email: andrew(a)andrewlih.com WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE

Željko Blaće

8:37 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:37 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Cool. Statement of WIR principles sounds good, but might be a goal for a dedicated 2022 worksession?

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In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does.

Indeed and decentering Wikipedia(n)s remains to be a challenge regardless of Commons and Wikidata prominence.

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The difficulty in writing about WIR is that it may or may not be in line with a particular community's conflict of interest or paid editing policies. For example, French and Italian accept paid editors (even from for-profit corporate entities) quite openly, whereas some other communities (like English Wikipedia) would view them very unfavorably. So I'm open to ideas on what we might do to advocate for WIR in particular communities. It will be challenging to come up with just one page to capture all that.

I understand, but maybe we do not need to inscribe all precisely and in elaborate, rather point in direction of that 'in Residence' is not only about financial relations (even art residencies range from paid to those you have to pay)...rather - as WREN is supporting each other and being productive, informative and inspirational in novel ways. Anyone want to take on this together? I can commit to writing a lot on comparisons with art residencies as well experienced on it.

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Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing: https://thewikipedian.net/2014/08/12/wikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about…

Cool. Will check out with recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso Anyone else? -Andrew

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On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:

Rachel Helps

3 Jan 3 Jan

8:48 p.m.

I’m interested in helping the image of WiRs on Wikimedia and making the meta page more accurate. I’m kind of confused about if Meta needs in-line sources or not. -Rachel From: Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 11:37 AM To: Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network <wren(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wren] Re: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:37 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com<mailto:andrew.lih@gmail.com>> wrote: Actually, this might be a good time to implement what we had talked about for the last year which is a "statement of WIR princples" that might be different than the meta page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedian_in_residence Cool. Statement of WIR principles sounds good, but might be a goal for a dedicated 2022 worksession? In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does. Indeed and decentering Wikipedia(n)s remains to be a challenge regardless of Commons and Wikidata prominence. The difficulty in writing about WIR is that it may or may not be in line with a particular community's conflict of interest or paid editing policies. For example, French and Italian accept paid editors (even from for-profit corporate entities) quite openly, whereas some other communities (like English Wikipedia) would view them very unfavorably. So I'm open to ideas on what we might do to advocate for WIR in particular communities. It will be challenging to come up with just one page to capture all that. I understand, but maybe we do not need to inscribe all precisely and in elaborate, rather point in direction of that 'in Residence' is not only about financial relations (even art residencies range from paid to those you have to pay)...rather - as WREN is supporting each other and being productive, informative and inspirational in novel ways. Anyone want to take on this together? I can commit to writing a lot on comparisons with art residencies as well experienced on it. Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing: https://thewikipedian.net/2014/08/12/wikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about… Cool. Will check out with recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso Anyone else? -Andrew On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <zblace@mi2.hr<mailto:zblace@mi2.hr>> wrote: Dear All - Last December 6th special meeting event on Wikipedia and NFT with a few invited guests made me think we could do meeting that are relevant beyond our immediate scope and be more visible... ...but also last week I was almost topic-banned on HR Wikipedia (Croatian) as none of the Admins knew what Wikimedian in Residence is and were thinking it is either paid editing or problematic self-promotion (when I was actually unemployed :-))) So after a successful event and a monthly HR drama, I am thinking what can we do better to increase WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. For people coming from most of the arts the notion of artist-in-residence is super familiar and easy to relate to, but average Wikipedian (if there is such thing) has very few chances to come across this term as well as to grasp what Wikimedian in Residence is. Only 27 Wikipedia instances have articles on WiRs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3809586 What could be good strategies to change that? 15 years ago (so we missed it by a week) on December 13, 2006 we got this text as a start http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-propo… Maybe we can draft something short quickly today and just pass it on later in the day to Wikimedia-L and potentially to the DIFF Blog of WMF? Elsewhere? Best Z _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org> -- -Andrew Lih Author of The Wikipedia Revolution US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015) Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American University, Columbia University, USC --- Email: andrew@andrewlih.com<mailto:andrew@andrewlih.com> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org>

Amanda Lawrence

6 Jan 6 Jan

11:52 a.m.

Željko Blaće

8 Feb 8 Feb

9:46 p.m.

Dear Amanda, let's do a thematic meeting soon on one of the weekends and based on your availability this time - OK? I am in CET +1 time zone On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 7:09 PM Amanda Lawrence <amanda.lawrence(a)rmit.edu.au> wrote:

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RMIT Classification: Trusted Hi, I would be interested in reviewing what we currently have on WiR - I found it really hard to work out how to set up a WiR, as a person paid by a research centre and waded through many different pages without much enlightenment. So far this group is the only collective I've found and I can't get to most of the meetings. There are many models of a scholar in residence similar to an artist - I am familiar with both of these. I'm not sure how we should move this forward but happy to participate. Amanda *__________________________________* *Dr Amanda Lawrence* Research Fellow, Open Knowledge Systems Technology, Communications and Policy Lab School of Media and Communications RMIT University Email: amanda.lawrence(a)rmit.edu.au Wikimedian in Residence ARC Centre of Excellence for Automated Decision-Making + Society <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.admscentre.org.au%2F&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7Cf0d1a8b6ee124538ed8708d972589ab1%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637666547277054203%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BqhrtQQzeqn%2FZVh9%2BhoOd0SMYdb%2FR7xOaGYLGOZmp3c%3D&reserved=0> *RMIT* | Building 97 | 104 Victoria St Carlton | ------------------------------ *From:* Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 December 2021 5:37 AM *To:* Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network <wren(a)lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject:* [Wren] Re: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:37 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote: Actually, this might be a good time to implement what we had talked about for the last year which is a "statement of WIR princples" that might be different than the meta page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedian_in_residence <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikimedian_in_residence&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699039103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=mvFjMWKVhBr5Z4w%2F0xwOwvc1XHjzOvZECLCxshpKCAY%3D&reserved=0> Cool. Statement of WIR principles sounds good, but might be a goal for a dedicated 2022 worksession? In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does. Indeed and decentering Wikipedia(n)s remains to be a challenge regardless of Commons and Wikidata prominence. The difficulty in writing about WIR is that it may or may not be in line with a particular community's conflict of interest or paid editing policies. For example, French and Italian accept paid editors (even from for-profit corporate entities) quite openly, whereas some other communities (like English Wikipedia) would view them very unfavorably. So I'm open to ideas on what we might do to advocate for WIR in particular communities. It will be challenging to come up with just one page to capture all that. I understand, but maybe we do not need to inscribe all precisely and in elaborate, rather point in direction of that 'in Residence' is not only about financial relations (even art residencies range from paid to those you have to pay)...rather - as WREN is supporting each other and being productive, informative and inspirational in novel ways. Anyone want to take on this together? I can commit to writing a lot on comparisons with art residencies as well experienced on it. Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing: https://thewikipedian.net/2014/08/12/wikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about… <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthewikipedian.net%2F2014%2F08%2F12%2Fwikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about-paid-editing-so-we-did%2F&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699039103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=2yd88SoFVDcAtDQTNO4zgtEQCkE4ojnBSddJI2Gn2CA%3D&reserved=0> Cool. Will check out with recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dtc9YgFm2eso&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699049061%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=wEWfHaH5mRThMTHJnlZxuBOWr3z4kVvI2%2FmVenLXiCc%3D&reserved=0> Anyone else? -Andrew On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote: Dear All - Last December 6th special meeting event on Wikipedia and NFT with a few invited guests made me think we could do meeting that are relevant beyond our immediate scope and be more visible... ...but also last week I was almost topic-banned on HR Wikipedia (Croatian) as none of the Admins knew what Wikimedian in Residence is and were thinking it is either paid editing or problematic self-promotion (when I was actually unemployed :-))) So after a successful event and a monthly HR drama, I am thinking what can we do better to increase WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. For people coming from most of the arts the notion of artist-in-residence is super familiar and easy to relate to, but average Wikipedian (if there is such thing) has very few chances to come across this term as well as to grasp what Wikimedian in Residence is. Only 27 Wikipedia instances have articles on WiRs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3809586 <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FQ3809586&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699049061%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OAxfSbkQQ6pRcYbTvOqc0iP%2FszjXfGVYa%2FizJtR%2BAOs%3D&reserved=0> What could be good strategies to change that? 15 years ago (so we missed it by a week) on December 13, 2006 we got this text as a start http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-propo… <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Foriginal-research.blogspot.com%2F2006%2F12%2Fwikipedian-in-residence-proposal.html&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699059016%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Os%2FSlajf38GfBGjpPyqU87e0aiLNrewFCwUtCiOvWOc%3D&reserved=0> Maybe we can draft something short quickly today and just pass it on later in the day to Wikimedia-L and potentially to the DIFF Blog of WMF? Elsewhere? Best Z _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org -- -Andrew Lih Author of The Wikipedia Revolution US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015) Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American University, Columbia University, USC --- Email: andrew(a)andrewlih.com WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmuckrack.com%2Ffuzheado&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699059016%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=s13x4qLUpC%2BIjA6bhDg%2FuHlwOGkXDAmIy2Q1qCAUe0M%3D&reserved=0> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWP%3AWPSPACE&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C055c46e48ec64d83608108d9c4b10453%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637757087699068971%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7qMHlelsz2kt3QiRTYJTZqi491kazOryKaT5OcpPka0%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

Amanda Lawrence

28 Feb 28 Feb

4:28 a.m.

RMIT Classification: Trusted Hi Zeljko, Thanks for the suggestion, sorry for the slow response. I'm in CET +10 (Aust Eastern Day Time or AEDT) so it does get tricky. Currently 1pm CET is 11pm AEDT and 7 am ET (daylight savings will end here soon and start other places so may change by an hour). So 1pm CET or earlier would be great for me. I'd love to attend a meeting at some point and get to meet people. Something I've noticed is a lot of the info on WiR is focussed on GLAM orgs but I am in a Research Centre so there are quite different issues and content editing is definitely something I need to do, with colleagues, but also directly myself. So it was quite confusing at the beginning seeing that some guides say no paid editing while others say it is fine (for English Wikipedia) and Wikidata seems to be no problem. There is a big community in health but I am in a social science area so trying to adapt health approaches to a far more diverse and disparate community and subject area. I'm also interested in working with Wikidata but still trying to work out how that would be effective for my organisation and the field. If anyone has any good links on being a WiR in a social science field I would love to hear about them. Thanks Amanda ________________________________ From: Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2022 6:46 AM To: Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network <wren(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wren] Re: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia Dear Amanda, let's do a thematic meeting soon on one of the weekends and based on your availability this time - OK? I am in CET +1 time zone On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 7:09 PM Amanda Lawrence <amanda.lawrence@rmit.edu.au<mailto:amanda.lawrence@rmit.edu.au>> wrote: RMIT Classification: Trusted Hi, I would be interested in reviewing what we currently have on WiR - I found it really hard to work out how to set up a WiR, as a person paid by a research centre and waded through many different pages without much enlightenment. So far this group is the only collective I've found and I can't get to most of the meetings. There are many models of a scholar in residence similar to an artist - I am familiar with both of these. I'm not sure how we should move this forward but happy to participate. Amanda __________________________________ Dr Amanda Lawrence Research Fellow, Open Knowledge Systems Technology, Communications and Policy Lab School of Media and Communications RMIT University Email: amanda.lawrence@rmit.edu.au<mailto:amanda.lawrence@rmit.edu.au> Wikimedian in Residence [cid:17edadd0de4e144ba281] ARC Centre of Excellence for Automated Decision-Making + Society<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%… RMIT | Building 97 | 104 Victoria St Carlton | ________________________________ From: Željko Blaće <zblace@mi2.hr<mailto:zblace@mi2.hr>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2021 5:37 AM To: Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network <wren@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren@lists.wikimedia.org>> Subject: [Wren] Re: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:37 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com<mailto:andrew.lih@gmail.com>> wrote: Actually, this might be a good time to implement what we had talked about for the last year which is a "statement of WIR princples" that might be different than the meta page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedian_in_residence<https://aus01.sa… Cool. Statement of WIR principles sounds good, but might be a goal for a dedicated 2022 worksession? In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does. Indeed and decentering Wikipedia(n)s remains to be a challenge regardless of Commons and Wikidata prominence. The difficulty in writing about WIR is that it may or may not be in line with a particular community's conflict of interest or paid editing policies. For example, French and Italian accept paid editors (even from for-profit corporate entities) quite openly, whereas some other communities (like English Wikipedia) would view them very unfavorably. So I'm open to ideas on what we might do to advocate for WIR in particular communities. It will be challenging to come up with just one page to capture all that. I understand, but maybe we do not need to inscribe all precisely and in elaborate, rather point in direction of that 'in Residence' is not only about financial relations (even art residencies range from paid to those you have to pay)...rather - as WREN is supporting each other and being productive, informative and inspirational in novel ways. Anyone want to take on this together? I can commit to writing a lot on comparisons with art residencies as well experienced on it. Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing: https://thewikipedian.net/2014/08/12/wikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about… Cool. Will check out with recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso<https://aus01.safelinks.prot… Anyone else? -Andrew On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <zblace@mi2.hr<mailto:zblace@mi2.hr>> wrote: Dear All - Last December 6th special meeting event on Wikipedia and NFT with a few invited guests made me think we could do meeting that are relevant beyond our immediate scope and be more visible... ...but also last week I was almost topic-banned on HR Wikipedia (Croatian) as none of the Admins knew what Wikimedian in Residence is and were thinking it is either paid editing or problematic self-promotion (when I was actually unemployed :-))) So after a successful event and a monthly HR drama, I am thinking what can we do better to increase WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. For people coming from most of the arts the notion of artist-in-residence is super familiar and easy to relate to, but average Wikipedian (if there is such thing) has very few chances to come across this term as well as to grasp what Wikimedian in Residence is. Only 27 Wikipedia instances have articles on WiRs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3809586<https://aus01.safelinks.protectio… What could be good strategies to change that? 15 years ago (so we missed it by a week) on December 13, 2006 we got this text as a start http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-propo… Maybe we can draft something short quickly today and just pass it on later in the day to Wikimedia-L and potentially to the DIFF Blog of WMF? Elsewhere? Best Z _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org> -- -Andrew Lih Author of The Wikipedia Revolution US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015) Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American University, Columbia University, USC --- Email: andrew@andrewlih.com<mailto:andrew@andrewlih.com> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook… PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE<https://aus01.safelinks.protecti… _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org> _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org>

Željko Blaće

18 Mar 18 Mar

11:36 p.m.

New subject: WREN reactivating towards WM Summit 2024 (WAS: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia)

Dear All - we are a month away from the (last?) Wikimedia Summit and quite a few of us will be participating either online or in Berlin and I wonder if we should maybe have a session before to sync urgencies around this meeting. I am still interested to help articulate a more proactive position for WiRs in WM 2030 strategy implementations (as we have been as WiRs on edge of few initiatives), but I fail to see us mentioned in any of the most recent conversations and also seen as change makers... ...there are still Wikipedians who think we do not exist, also with cutting down Alliance funds for Europe it is harder to get out of the movement entities support as well as to have a pathway to 2030 goals. I talked briefly on this with Geert in end of 2023 (we both juggle many rolls to compensate for too much), also recently with Jake (on limits of conventional work) and I would love to extend this to those visiting Berlin. Anyone? On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 7:37 PM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:37 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Cool. Statement of WIR principles sounds good, but might be a goal for a dedicated 2022 worksession?

In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does.

Indeed and decentering Wikipedia(n)s remains to be a challenge regardless of Commons and Wikidata prominence.

Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing: https://thewikipedian.net/2014/08/12/wikimania-2014-we-needed-to-talk-about…

Cool. Will check out with recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso Anyone else? -Andrew

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:

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Amanda Lawrence
Andrew Lih
Rachel Helps
Željko Blaće