RMIT Classification: Trusted

Hi Zeljko,

Thanks for the suggestion, sorry for the slow response. I'm in CET +10 (Aust Eastern Day Time or AEDT) so it does get tricky. 
Currently 1pm CET is 11pm AEDT and 7 am ET (daylight savings will end here soon and start other places so may change by an hour). So 1pm CET or earlier would be great for me. I'd love to attend a meeting at some point and get to meet people. 

Something I've noticed is a lot of the info on WiR is focussed on GLAM orgs but I am in a Research Centre so there are quite different issues and content editing is definitely something I need to do, with colleagues, but also directly myself. So it was quite confusing at the beginning seeing that some guides say no paid editing while others say it is fine (for English Wikipedia) and Wikidata seems to be no problem. There is a big community in health but I am in a social science area so trying to adapt health approaches to a far more diverse and disparate community and subject area.

I'm also interested in working with Wikidata but still trying to work out how that would be effective for my organisation and the field. 

If anyone has any good links on being a WiR in a social science field I would love to hear about them. 


From: Željko Blaće <>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2022 6:46 AM
To: Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network <>
Subject: [Wren] Re: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia
Dear Amanda, let's do a thematic meeting soon on one of the weekends and
based on your availability this time - OK? I am in CET +1 time zone

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 7:09 PM Amanda Lawrence <> wrote:

RMIT Classification: Trusted

Hi, I would be interested in reviewing what we currently have on WiR - I found it really hard to work out how to set up a WiR, as a person paid by a research centre and waded through many different pages without much enlightenment. So far this group is the only collective I've found and I can't get to most of the meetings.

There are many models of a scholar in residence similar to an artist - I am familiar with both of these. 

I'm not sure how we should move this forward but happy to participate.



Dr Amanda Lawrence

Research Fellow, Open Knowledge Systems

Technology, Communications and Policy Lab

School of Media and Communications
RMIT University

Wikimedian in Residence

ARC Centre of Excellence for Automated Decision-Making + Society 

RMIT | Building 97 | 104 Victoria St Carlton |

From: Željko Blaće <>
Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2021 5:37 AM
To: Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network <>
Subject: [Wren] Re: WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedias and Wikimedia
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:37 PM Andrew Lih <> wrote:
Actually, this might be a good time to implement what we had talked about for the last year which is a "statement of WIR princples" that might be different than the meta page:

Cool. Statement of WIR principles sounds good, but might be a goal for a dedicated 2022 worksession?

In fact, I can already see that I don't fit some of what the meta page describes, which may focus on a pre-Wikdata definition of what a WIR does.

Indeed and decentering Wikipedia(n)s remains to be a challenge regardless of Commons and Wikidata prominence.

The difficulty in writing about WIR is that it may or may not be in line with a particular community's conflict of interest or paid editing policies. For example, French and Italian accept paid editors (even from for-profit corporate entities) quite openly, whereas some other communities (like English Wikipedia) would view them very unfavorably. So I'm open to ideas on what we might do to advocate for WIR in particular communities. It will be challenging to come up with just one page to capture all that.

I understand, but maybe we do not need to inscribe all precisely and in elaborate, rather point in direction of that 'in Residence' is not only about financial  relations (even art residencies range from paid to those you have to pay)...rather - as WREN is supporting each other and being productive, informative and inspirational in novel ways. Anyone want to take on this together? I can commit to writing a lot on comparisons with art residencies as well experienced on it.
Here's a talk from 2014 Wikimania that discussed some of these dynamics, and also had some case studies of paid editing:

Cool. Will check out with recording
Anyone else?


On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:15 PM Željko Blaće <> wrote:
Dear All -
Last December 6th special meeting event
on Wikipedia and NFT with a few invited guests
made me think we could do meeting that are relevant
beyond our immediate scope and be more visible...
...but also last week I was almost topic-banned
on HR Wikipedia (Croatian) as none of the Admins knew
what Wikimedian in Residence is and were thinking
it is either paid editing or problematic self-promotion 
(when I was actually unemployed :-)))
So after a successful event and a monthly HR drama,
I am thinking what can we do better to increase
WiR and WREN visibility on Wikipedia and Wikimedia.

For people coming from most of the arts the notion of
artist-in-residence is super familiar and easy to relate to,
but average Wikipedian (if there is such thing)
has very few chances to come across this term
as well as to grasp what Wikimedian in Residence is.
Only 27 Wikipedia instances have articles on WiRs

What could be good strategies to change that?

15 years ago (so we missed it by a week)
on December 13, 2006 we got this text as a start

Maybe we can draft something short quickly today
and just pass it on later in the day to Wikimedia-L
and potentially to the DIFF Blog of WMF?


Best Z
Wren mailing list --
To unsubscribe send an email to

-Andrew Lih
Author of The Wikipedia Revolution
US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016)
Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015)
Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM
Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American University, Columbia University, USC

Wren mailing list --
To unsubscribe send an email to
Wren mailing list --
To unsubscribe send an email to