Hello Navin,Thanks for these proposed solutions.I hope local organizers can work out a solution to minimize disruption by new editors from their various communities.But frankly speaking, it isn't clear what kind of rules the folks at the English Wikipedia want to see as the rules and instructions are clear on the meta page.In additions to instructions on the meta page, several local communities organized webinars to train participants. I participated in at least 2 of the training. There are instructional videos on the page and we have recently improved the instructions. So, I don't know what they wanted exactly.Either they aren't reading the page at all and making some kind of blanket assessment to discredit the campaign or they don't want new editors to participate at all.In either case, I'd encourage local organizers and participants to participate in the English Wikipedia discussions to point out the merit of this campaign, point out what they are probably missing and work out a solution to address their concerns.[1]Regards,Isaac_______________________________________________On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 18:06 Navin Singh, <navinsingh133@gmail.com> wrote:Hello everyone,Thanks for sharing the link Isaac. I have already checked on the discussion and I feel the are a bit over reactive and really impolite. I was really disappointed by their personal attacks and aggression.I don't think this is much big of a issue. I believe that most of the problem is due to their frustration due to AVAs, not the campaign itself. Still, we can deal with nonconstructive edit by putting out highlighted notice that each's contribution will be monitored, and scrutinized both real-time and post-campaign. Once participants realize they are being watched, their behavior will improve.Below are the steps I suggest.
- On developed wikis
- We local organizers can build regulations from meta guideline that edits must be constructive. We can decide what is constructive and what is not on the basis of judgement, to give us some degree of freedom. We can also make community pages with well defined guidelins, link with meta page to highlight on what to do and what not to do.
- We can put out warnings and cautions on the community pages. Use of caution and warning signs attracts attention and discourages mischievous behavior.
- Most of the edits are constructive, doing years of work immediately. We can encourage them by displaying statistics.
- Filters to block hashtags in page instead of summary to fix non-proper placement of hashtags.
- Communicate with participants, and build a reporting page for unfair contributions. A warning that we may resort to strict measures will discourage damaging contributions.
- Work with admins, to figure out community wise solutions. Customized solution targeting the troubled wiki will be more effective than giving an all out "chemotherapy".
- Warn and then block users with more than 5 non-constructive contributions till the campaign.
- On developing wikis
- We can monitor changes in real-time to warn users.
- Instructions can be added on how to easily add images without violating the guidelines.
- Guide individuals to start a positive trend. Encourage everyone to enjoy the fairness and positiveness.
The above is my personal opinion only. I believe such steps will improve the positive contributions ratio, although users at EN WIKI have quoted it is already 9 out of 10. The decision is to be made by the local organizers.Apologies for the intrusion, Thanks.On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 20:34, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:Hello local organizers and participants of the WPWP CampaignBelow is the link to the English Wikipedia notice board discussion.Thank you.IsaacOn Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 14:24 Isaac Olatunde, <reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:Hello Navin and others,We have been thinking about how we might best deal with this situation.I agree that non-constructive edits can be handled on a case-by-case basis and they could be dealt with at the community level.We have now reversed this new eligibility criterion while we continue the discussion with the English Wikipedia community on how to best handle the issue in that community. I hope we find a solution to the problem at the English Wikipedia.Please disregard the previous email about the (now reversed) additional criteria and continue to improve articles with photos.We apologize for any inconveniencesWith best regards,Isaac OlatundeProject Manager and Co-CoordinatorWPWP CampaignOn behalf of the WPWP Organizing TeamOn Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 13:50 Navin Singh, <navinsingh133@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Issac,Isn't it a little bit late to restrict users from editing? It would have been okay if the changes were made before starting, but I think we should try to find any other solution. Maybe like, disqualifying if more then 5 edits are found to be destructive. I feel bad in shutting out the users we have called. If an edit is not constructive, we can treat it as so. There are a lot of rollbackers and anti-vandalism users on developed wikis which deal with such things daily. On wikis with small number of participant, we can easily provide other solutions.Overall, I am asking to deal with it on community level. I don't feel confident in shutting out so many people all of a sudden, it will be a disappointment.The above is my personal opinion and not a decision. Feel free to to update the guidelines anyway you guys prefer.RegardsOn Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 02:47, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:_______________________________________________Dear local coordinators of the WPWP Campaign,We are excited that the WPWP Campaign is having a huge impact as more than 6000 articles have been improved with photos in about 100 languages Wikipedia in the last 72 hours.However, there are concerns about the level of disruption caused by brand new editors, which includes adding irrelevant images to articles, poor formatting, insertion of the hashtags to mainspace, and defacing articles with unnecessary photos.There is at least one thread at the English Wikipedia administrators noticeboard about this problem. We have extensively reviewed the concerns, feedback, and have decided to review the eligibility criteria as an emergency response to minimize the level of disruption.The eligibility criteria have been reviewed to include only users who have registered their account for at least 1 year and had made at least 300 mainspace edits to any language Wikipedia before July 1st, 2020 would be eligible to participate in the WPWP Campaign.You are encouraged to update your local pages accordingly to reflect these new changes.We apologize for any inconvenience that may result from these changesWith best regards,Isaac OlatundeProject Manager and Co-CoordinatorWPWP CampaignOn behalf of the WPWP Organizing Team
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