Great letter, Casey. Thanks.  I'm pleased that the posts of Michael, Mike, Jerald, and myself, have generated this much interest and produced very special insights. I think the older Winedale "kids" ('70-2000) will, for sure, appreciate, as I do, your personal address, how you connect with the play and Martius.  You have certainly come a long way from Grumio in '03. (beaten there also).  By the way, I was amused that you refer to the '12 class as "kids."  So you are 30 now?

Like you, I did marvel at the energy and pace of the play.  That spirit was evident in all three plays, I thought (although I wonder about the gratuitous moments).  It seemed to me that the "kid" who played Coriolanus gave everything he could to the character, the conflict, left everything on the stage, a noble effort.  I thanked him for that after the play.  But I saw nothing heroic or tragic.  Instead something like the struggling you mention, the blind spot, the trapped, confused, angry, seeking release.  And maybe that is what the play is about.


Right on with Jonson, but remember he's writing humour comedy.  Characters do not develop much at all there. They sort of bounce off one another.  But the plays are great fun.   MWW is Sh's "humour" comedy.  

Now if we can turn our attention to Pericles.................

Doc


On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Casey Caldwell wrote:

Hi all,

   I've always been too much in awe of all of you to post on this listserv until now, but I've been following this really interesting discussion of Coriolanus, and having just seen the Winedale performance as well I feel like I have something to contribute.  I don't think I'm in any small position of informed opinion now at this point in my life either, so please forgive me those of you I haven't met.

  I like Coriolanus the play and I really liked what those kids did with it out at Winedale, and I think I might be coming at this in a slightly different way than some of the discussion so far so I wanted to add it to the mix.

As to my first point though, I emphatically would NOT have liked Coriolanus when I was "younger". What I mean by "younger" is when I was still cradled in the world of my innocence (a time that extended through college)--and I was very innocent, a young soul compared to what I have always respected as the much more advanced souls on this listserv and whom I've spent years admiring and being inspired by. I had to get out in the world and get pretty beat up a few times (maybe many times) before, for example, I could even relate to true positive experience of tragedy in a play.  I didn't get it. I appreciated the raw beauty of the poetry in, say, Macbeth, but I was fundamentally separated from the essential experience of the play in a positive way until, say, 6 or 7 years ago.  The comedies were where it was at for me, though I have loved the Henry IVs from the beginning (considering the role of Falstaff and his rejection in those plays, I guess it makes sense put this way).

Part of what I find so compelling now about Coriolanus, and I have to be personal in order to explain this, is the fact that I can completely relate to the way he feels and I think it takes a kind of Brechtian honesty and courage on Shakespeare's part to show an audience, not a heightened or enriched version of how they like to see themselves raised or fail magnificently, but a real side of themselves they truly do not want to see. But which we need to.  I recently experienced severe burn out from performing all the time--after an intense run of extremely positive experiences with Shakespeare and performance, ADing at Winedale, building my own internship from the ground up to work at the Globe, acting in countless scenes and plays at the Blackfriars in Staunton, directing shows and staged readings, I felt building up in me what I was surprised to find was an anger towards my "audience"- the people I felt expected me to keep performing for them all the time and keep achieving and for whom I felt it was never enough. All of the great things I had achieved had, paradoxically, led me to be angry, generically, at those for whom they were achievements. That was of course a side-effect of the burn out, but around that time I watched Fienne's film and turned back to the play, and I felt that when I looked into his eyes I saw exactly how I felt looking back at me.  A trapped and angry, shrunken person that I had not been able to admit to myself, for all my achievements, was there--and I felt so thankful to Shakespeare for having the courage, and believing in me enough, to show that to me. 

I was also born into this world with a severe inability to understand how to connect with other people (like many of us wonderful nerds), and I think I've always harbored deep down the fear that I'll never truly be able to overcome that blind spot in my soul.  What I find so sympathetic in Coriolanus, too, is that his tragedy is that of never overcoming that blind spot (but like a child in man's body, he tries), of never getting it, what it is that binds all of us to life, the tissue of our living that makes it worth it, that on which if we leave a trace truly means we lived here (as opposed to great battles and impressing our mothers). To have achieved so much, and yet to never have understood that, seems to me to be the height of tragedy in a deeply human and horrifying way. I think Shakespeare understood too that maybe for man struggling with that kind of flaw, maybe the only connection he can find for a short time is with his enemy, and that really in the end he never truly became a man, for all of his achievements, out of the struggling child. He died his mother's son. And god help me but I fear the same fate.

As for some of the more technical complaints scholars frequently levy against the play, I'm also less sympathetic.  I think there are plenty of great early modern plays that do not contain much sign of "inner life" at all- see the entirety of Ben Jonson's oeuvre, for example. I directed Shoemaker's Holiday for my MFA show at the Blackfriars, so obviously I love that play, and while Simon Eyre shows some inner life, the merits of that play (and I do think it's a great early modern play) need to be sought under rubrics other than those of delving into the subjective depths.  Where I think Shakespeare tops Ben Jonson in this vein, though, is that he could move away from interiority and still write a tragedy, while Jonson for me was only really successful with his comedies. I know some of this is a matter of taste, but I thought it was also worth throwing in.  Tis Pity, Revenger's Tragedy, Michaelmas Term, The Knight of the Burning Pestle, The Alchemist, The Blind Beggar of Alexandria, Dido Queen of Carthage, a lot of what is great in these plays is not what we love in Hamlet, though a lot of what we could love but miss in Hamlet is expanded upon in these and other plays in the period.  

And what I loved about those kids performing Coriolanus out at Winedale, is that they were honestly, and with ability, preparation, and dedication, facing what in that play, when I was their age, I was too afraid to face myself--in art, or otherwise. I couldn't have done what they did, and any time a group of human beings comes together and gives me the opportunity to admit that to myself through the thick veil of qualifications and scars and ego I've built up, I'm grateful. A lot of the people on this listserv did that for me--Winedale changed my life and it was meeting so many of you that taught me to believe I was capable of more than I believed I was--Doc did that for me in 2003 in the Spring Class, James did that for me over four summers, a lot of you were at Doc's 70th birthday party the day I realized I had to devote my life to that patch of ground out there that could bind people the way I saw all of you were bound, and just after that James took me into my first summer after I had applied too late after the deadline.  And those kids did it for me with Coriolanus on Saturday night.

(On a side note, I thought that technically their execution was pretty damn good as well, and had great pace--something I appreciate more and more having lived almost exclusively-between Winedale, the Blackfriars, and the Globe--in early modern drama for my daily life for the past four years. I heard a lot of the beautiful, odd language in that play as well, and bejesus did Robert Faires' daughter embody Volumnia. The young man that played Coriolanus knew where his enjambments were upon quizzing, so his courage and generosity with that part extended beyond his work with his classmates on stage to really knowing the text for himself as well. And something else they picked up on as a merit in the play- the lack of a real "B plot" means Coriolanus is an opportunity to drive through that barn like a train. And they did.)

I apologize to those of you I haven't met for sharing something so personal by way of explanation,  but I truly felt I had something unique and contributory to add to this already rich discussion of the play.  In the end, maybe it's too personal to be applicable for others, but I think Shakespeare's the one that helped me see that very personal thing (and maybe live with it as well).

I love you guys, and I love Coriolanus too.

Cheers,
  Casey Caldwell










   

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steele, William B. <wsteele@lockelord.com> wrote:
Fiennes was born for the part. Has he ever smiled in a movie?

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In light of this discussion, I watched Ralph Fiennes's film adaptation of CORIOLANUS today. Emphasis, of course, on "adaptation" -- the text is radically reduced from the source. Fiennes does an amazing job as a screen actor of attempting to fill in the gaps that the text does not fill regarding Coriolanus's -- by my count, he smiles only at one moment in the whole film, when we first see him with his "sweet silence" of a wife and his child after his return from routing the Volscians. His performance doesn't make fix the problem that the text leaves us with -- too little information about his inner life, what drives him, how he got this way, and what changes in him. But it is certainly watchable.

What I really liked, though, is Brian Cox's take on Menenius. Here's a good interview with Cox in the Telegraph that underscores Cox's and Fiennes's interpretive choices with that role:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/starsandstories/9027156/Brian-Cox-interview-for-Coriolanus.html
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