On 2012-05-14 15:44, Christoph Lauer wrote: If you look around the various languages of Wiktionary, you will find that German is the exception. Most languages follow the pattern of the English Wiktionary. If you want things to work the same way for all languages, the German Wiktionary would need to be restructured from scratch. This is not likely to happen. Still, the entry for bear (English Wiktionary, etymology 2, verb) does list "born" as the participle near the headword. There is also a list ofderived terms (bear down, bear up, ...), it just doesn't list "birth" yet, but I think you are free to add it.

Am 14.05.2012 16:11, schrieb Lars Aronsson: Thanks for the information. Too bad the german wiktionary makes such exceptions there, it's the wiktionary I wanted to use :-( However my central problem was that none of these informations aren't available in the RDF dumps or through the SPARQL endpoint http://wiktionary.dbpedia.org/sparql, neither born -> bear, nor bear -> birth/give birth, I thought maybe someone knows if there are plans to import these informations. Does the project, which creates the dumps, has a name anyway? Like dbpedia, the project creating the dumps from wikipedia.

On 2012-05-14 16:54, Christoph Lauer wrote: Wiktionary is highly concentrated: A few people and a few templates generate the vast majority of the content. I think I created half of the Swedish language entries in the English Wiktionary. If the people (who?) who run dbpedia.org can explain their needs, perhaps the templates used in Wiktionary can better support the extraction of structured data. I don't recall getting any feedback from them. For the purpose of Swedish entries in the English Wiktionary, "född" (born, geboren) is treated as an adjective (since it is inflected as an adjective), with its role as participle of the verb being indicated in the etymology section. The template {{sv-verb-form-pastpart|föda}} expands to the text "past participle of föda" and also adds a category: Swedish past participles, but it doesn't contain any other mark-up that says this is a past participle. I have no idea how this is treated by dbpedia.

Hi Christoph, if you're interested in accessing the "Abgeleitete Begriffe" (derived terms) from the German Wiktionary, you could use the JWKTL software [1]. It is a Java library for parsing German and English Wiktionary dump files and accessing much of the information encoded in Wiktionary in a structured way. Hope it helps! Best regards, Christian [1] http://www.ukp.tu-darmstadt.de/software/jwktl/ ________________________________________ Von: wiktionary-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [wiktionary-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org]" im Auftrag von "Christoph Lauer [dbpedia(a)online.ms] Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:44 An: wiktionary-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: [Wiktionary-l] more grammatical information in the extraction framework Hello everyone, sorry for my partially bad english. I would like to use the dbpedia-based wiktionary framework (through dumps or online access) for a program I'm developing, which (trys to) extract the article name and property from a natural language question and queries the dbpedia for the answer. Particularly interesting would be the extraction of a property from a verb, e.g. if I ask when someone was "born", the program has to find a connection to the noun "birth", which can then be further processed. Wiktionary provides that link by first relating to the base form "to bear" and there under "Etymology 2 - Verb" the transitive meaning "give birth". The connection in the german wiktionary is a little different, there the link to the base form is under "Grammatische Merkmale" (grammatical properties), and in the base form of the verb the noun "Geburt" (birth) is found under "Abgeleitete Begriffe" (derived terms). I would be very happy if these informations could be extracted into the dbpedia-wiktionary, in a unified way for all languages. Unfortunately I'm not such an expert programmer, it would probably take weeks until I found my way through mercurial, maven and the entire source code of the framework to do the extraction myself, so I was hoping, someone with more experience with the framework could do it (if it doesn't take weeks of work :-) ). Thanks in advance! With regards, Christoph Lauer _______________________________________________ Wiktionary-l mailing list Wiktionary-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l _______________________________________________ Wiktionary-l mailing list Wiktionary-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l