Will you release this quote under the GPL I would like to use it elsewhere.
To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com>; Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for Wikiversity?
I sometimes wonder if you are a creation of Ellison's AM and exist only to torture others.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com> wrote:
I write this because Ottava (Jeffrey Peters) is insane, and I don't want people here to think that he has any actual power or serious influence.
He has long threatened users like this. I have never seen anyone blocked as a result, except when Ottava was a sysop, which ultimately became a disaster because of his habit of calling people liars.
After he was desysopped, he then threatened users that stewards would descend on Wikiversity and block those people who were frustrating Ottava's agenda, just as here he is threatening removal from the list.
One the other hand, if anyone is removed from this list for behavior here in this thread, I want to hear about it. I can be reached by reply to the address for this mail, or through the Wikiversity user email interface, user Abd.
Anyone but Ottava, that is. He is *only* on this list to make trouble. He doesn't care at all about Wikiversity. There is no WMF policy that he imagines. I just reviewed the posts here, and Ottava's incursion here was utterly outrageous. There is no "competition" between Planet Math and Wikiversity or Wikipedia. See the Planet Math article on Wikipedia, as was suggested.
It appears that content on Planet Match can be reused on Wikiversity if anyone so desires.
Further, Planet Math appears to have a process that could be a bit more likely to produce reliable content (in math).
(To answer another question, nobody reliably validates content on Wikiversity. Wikiversity hosts, in addition to expert content, content written by *students*. Some are very young. We have "inexplicable physics" pages, so categorized because a certain WMF board member thought the physics was idiosyncratic. Perhaps it was, but they were not deleted. Warnings were placed on them. If a page on Wikiversity has possible educational usage, which could include the study of error, or, for that matter, fringe science or even pseudoscience, it will normally be kept. If it's on the edge, it might be userfied, we readily move pages into user space if there is a question about appropriateness. Let's say that, as a user, it is far less disconcerting to find the page I worked on for so many hours has been moved to my user space, than to find it deleted! Basically, because of Wikiversity traditions and practices, including the allowance of subpages in mainspace, conflict on Wikversity over content is rare.)
The original question here, by Robert Dodier, was if a certain kind of math article would be welcome on Wikiversity, and the immediate answer (by me) was that it would be likely. Then Joe suggested "as an alternative," Planet Math. This is a discussion among WMF volunteers, and it could have taken place on, say, the Wikiversity Colloquium, the same.
If Ottava had jumped in to excoriate Joe, on Wikiversity, as he did here, I'd be betting that he'd be blocked. And that's on a wiki that rarely blocks anyone other than vandals.
And I see that the user who asked here has now asked there, on Planet Math. He is not so likely to meet someone like Ottava there,
Contributing to Wikiversity could be easier, but the user might have more sympathetic company on Planet Math. All I can say for sure is that the Robert is welcome on Wikiversity., and likewise Joe Corneli, Steve Foerster, and Nkansah Rexford. The idea of collaboration with Planet Math is excellent, and the more that users who really want to build free educational materials collaborate and support each other, the more difficult it is for the snipers to pick people off.
Most of us just want to build content, but we do need to ensure that someone is minding the space, keeping it safe.
I notice that Ottava, in his message, threatened "moderation" because Nkansah argued with him if he were to "keep it up." Ottava seems to not understand that he's yelling at a whole group of people, each one of whom is different and each one of whom is not responsible for what the others do or say. For Ottava, it doesn't matter. They are the enemy.
Whatever is happening with Ottava, it seems to be getting more pronounced. He used to be far more cogent.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell
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From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:15 PM
To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for Wikiversity?
It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up and I will inform the main list owners and ask that they strictly moderate the list to ensure that it is not used to promote competitors.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford@gmail.com> wrote:
@jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did that become advertising?Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal website or something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just bringing up an issue and I believe its great considering the matter than banning the matter saying its advertising."Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of Wikiversity, where else can discussions of this sort be held?I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing lists. Links are posted to references and stuffs like that. They're all Wikimedia mailing list, but how come such links never get categorized as adverts but are used in discussion?Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity?Cmongoogle.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from TabOn Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli" <holtzermann17@gmail.com> wrote:I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters
<17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
> Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an advertisement group.
> Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group? PlanetMath.org is
>> well-established free/open project
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a lot of
>> content to Wikipedia over the years
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_Exchange.
>> Mentioning the project is hardly advertising it.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters
>> <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
>> > Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia groups/links.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As an alternative, this seems like something we would be interested in
>> >> including in PlanetMath (planetmath.org).
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier
>> >> <robert.dodier@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of math problems
>> >> > solved by Maxima, a symbolic computation system.
>> >> > I am imagining that there would be a main page and a page
>> >> > for each solved problem. Each problem page would have
>> >> > a brief discussion and then a solution with formulas, code,
>> >> > and graphics as needed. Is that something that is suitable
>> >> > for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the educational realm
>> >> > of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything to say whether it
>> >> > is definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not OK.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this question.
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert Dodier
>> >> >
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