On 9/30/12, Erkan Yilmaz <
erkan77@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him
> not sure why he could not succeed
>
> afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do something
> about this
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio
>
> Erkan
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax
> <
abdlomax@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
>> willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
>> working properly.
>>
>> Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is
>> being
>> obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything
>> about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come
>> with
>> every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the
>> specific
>> problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO
>> FIX THIS!
>>
>> A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account
>> for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is
>> the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The
>> complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
>> (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case
>> with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
>>
>> STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say
>> how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail
>> from
wikiversity-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
>> subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
>>
>> If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know
>> more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a
>> complaint with the overall
wikimedia.org listserver administration unless
>> I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
>> subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
>> provide adequate information.
>>
>> To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of
>> commands
>> through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the
>> subscribed email address. The page is at
>>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
>>
>> On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering
>> my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options"
>> button.
>>
>> I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
>> subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
>> unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
>> confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
>> presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is
>> not
>> needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button
>> and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the
>> member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option
>> there
>> (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
>>
>> So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed
>> an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a
>> confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will
>> unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
>> subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
>> subscriber or not.
>>
>> If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
>> not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means
>> that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
>> address.
>>
>> However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
>> will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's
>> mails,
>> from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a
>> moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also
>> be
>> getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set
>> up
>> automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
>> control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
>>
>> Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
>> able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
>> know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and
>> then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
>> this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
>>
>> The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
>>
>> Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly
>> watching
>> this list and ready to fix problems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>