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1. Re: Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 10 (Harry Leitner)
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:59:01 -0400
From: Harry Leitner <harryleitner@gmail.com>
To: wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 10
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On 30 Sep 2012 15:58, <wikiversity-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
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> 1. Re: Management of this mailing list (Erkan Yilmaz)
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> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:57:55 +0200
> From: Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77@gmail.com>
> To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
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> Hi Abd,
>
> since you can not edit:
> I've posted a request in the colloquium:
>
> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#WV:_Mailing_list_problem
>
> Erkan
> P.S. God save all people who survive
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year.
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&action=view
> >
> > He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years.
> > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio.
> >
> > Cormaggio has been inactive everywhere in the WMF, at least through this
> > unified log-in.
> >
> > Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited
> > Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was
> willing
> > to be removed as a bureaucrat.
> >
> http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Abd&diff=prev&oldid=715970
> > Sebmol has been active on de. wikipedia, this year. Not much.
> >
> > It's obvious. We don't have an active list moderator. The complaining
> > account is indeed listed as a member receiving the digest.
> >
> > If we get another echo from Harry, I'm going to take an action that might
> > resolve the problem for him. I'm going to request a password restoration
> > message in his name. If he responds to it, as he has to other messages,
> we
> > might be able to fix this for him. Unorthodox, yes, but it will not do
> any
> > actual harm to him, since he wants to be unsubscribed to all WMF lists,
> > apparently. It risks revealing his password. Note that anyone could do
> this
> > for any of us.... that's how the listserve works. I'm not using any
> special
> > privilege. The password is mailed to the subscription address, and if the
> > user responds to mails without looking at them, he's in danger anyway.
> >
> > Of course, if he starts paying attention, he can indeed fix this himself,
> > the listserv seems to be working normally.
> >
> > I already requested unsubscription in his name. If he follows the
> > instructions in that mail, he'll be unsubscribed and we won't hear from
> him
> > again.
> >
> > Meanwhile, the lack of list administration is a possible problem, this
> > particular manifestation is relatively minor. We are probably losing
> > subscribers over this, but only a list manager can tell, if they can
> access
> > the logs.
> >
> > I'd act to fix this, on-wiki, but ... I 'm still blocked from almost a
> > year ago, the unblock template on my Talk page has no response, in spite
> of
> > some request from the community, ignored. WV is, in many respects, dead.
> > Such community as still exists stopped paying attention to central
> > administrative matters, and so the technocrats rule, but they also lose
> > interest, so in some areas, there is nobody ruling or acting. I basically
> > gave up, given lack of purposeful community response supporting what I
> was
> > doing. A majority isn't enough! When there is a lack of consensus on
> > specific actions, admins have free reign, and policy doesn't matter. I
> was
> > blocked for defending long-standing community policy on blocking. I'd
> just
> > been desysopped outside of policy, as an "emergency" on meta. The
> emergency
> > was that I'd acted, according to policy, reversing after discussion
> (once,
> > not wheel-warring) a block of another user made by the 'crat who then
> > requested the desysop, and, when a user changed the policy abusively, I
> > requested custodian attention and was blocked for not other offense than
> > civilly requesting attention.
> >
> > And the block proved that the policy wasn't worth the paper it wasn't
> > written on. The real policy: a 'crat can do whatever he likes, can block
> > anyone he doesn't like. No consequences, and no appeal is of any use. And
> > the 'crat doesn't need to be, at all, an active WV user, he can just pop
> in
> > whenever.
> >
> > I don't know where requests to add moderators are handled (meta?).
> >
> > *From:* Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77@gmail.com>
> > *To:* Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com>; Mailing list for
> > Wikiversity <wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
> >
> > Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him
> > not sure why he could not succeed
> >
> > afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do
> > something about this
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio
> >
> > Erkan
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
> > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
> > working properly.
> >
> > Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is
> being
> > obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything
> > about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come
> with
> > every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the
> specific
> > problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO
> > FIX THIS!
> >
> > A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account
> > for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is
> > the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The
> > complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
> > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case
> > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
> >
> > STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say
> > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail
> > from wikiversity-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
> > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
> >
> > If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know
> > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a
> > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration
> unless
> > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
> > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
> > provide adequate information.
> >
> > To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of
> commands
> > through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the
> > subscribed email address. The page is at
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
> >
> > On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering
> > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options"
> > button.
> >
> > I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
> > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
> > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
> > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
> > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is
> not
> > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button
> > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the
> > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option
> there
> > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
> >
> > So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed
> > an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a
> > confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will
> > unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
> > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
> > subscriber or not.
> >
> > If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
> > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means
> > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
> > address.
> >
> > However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
> > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's
> mails,
> > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a
> > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also
> be
> > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set
> up
> > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
> > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
> >
> > Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
> > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
> > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and
> > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
> > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
> >
> > The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
> >
> > Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly
> watching
> > this list and ready to fix problems.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Shujen Chang <i@blue.cat>
> > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
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> > You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want to receive
> any
> > letters from the mail list again.
> >
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