I see some unsupported messages among the many supportive. For sure there is a long way ahead. The idea of wikiversity is important to all of us and needs everybody's contribution to grow. Wikiversity would be able to connect all the sciences to provide a much better situation of human kind hopefully.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.auwrote:
Look you two guys - cut it out. I now recall your battles on wikiversity a few years back. You pissed a lot of people off then, including me, and you are most likely pissing off a lot of people here. In that regard, there is nothing to chose between you. Please just stop. It is not productive.
Bduke
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 01:25:20AM -0500, Jeffrey Peters wrote:
"Cold fusion is a mystery, as to how it works, but we know what it does, the original discovered effect converts deuterium to helium, the evidence for this is already overwhelming. I know the experimental evidence, and I know the scientists who did that published work, and it has some obvious implications, but .. that's not a "belief." "
It always goes back to that. He rants and raves, and always comes back to his obsession. Abd hates anyone who points out that his obsession is
false,
and it is obvious that Abd has an agenda to make money off of his
obsession.
Wonderful guy.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax@yahoo.com wrote:
Essentially, if we assume that he is sane, the man lies.
Shortly before he sent this mail, he deleted a comment of mine from his talk page, in which I pointed out that what he told another Wikiversity user about me.
https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ottava_Rima&diff=...
In that comment, I pointed to the actual Wikipedia ban discussion, the close of which does not mention pushing fringe beliefs. Nor was that mentioned in the close of my previous cold fusion topic ban. The cause stated there was my request for a removal of a web site that hosts
legal
preprints of cold fusion research papers from the global blacklist.
That
request had began very simply, but when the WP admin who had originally requested the blacklisting raised all the old, rejected arguments (he
had
been reprimanded by ArbComm for his admin actions around this), I then explained, and that was considered a "wall of text." I was topic
banned on
Wikipedia as a result. And then, because what I'd written was
convincing,
the blacklisting was lifted.
But all the old charges came out in the ban discussion, as if they had
all
been confirmed, they were simply stated as fact, and Wikipedians do not research disputes, they simply react. It was claimed that I'd violated
an
ArbComm sanction by socking. No, I was under no ArbComm sanction, the
topic
ban was a "community ban," resulting from that meta action. "Violating
an
ArbComm sanction" was then repeated by many !voting for ban as cause.
Wikipedia does dumb stuff like this all the time! I found that when I
took
the place seriously, I'd quickly become "obsessed." I concluded the
place
was utterly unreliable, not a place to do any serious work with
anything
remotely controversial.
As to "trying to profit" by selling "information packages" to people,.
I
have a COI notice on the Wikiversity Cold fusion resource page. I'm not selling information or information packages, I'm selling physical
materials
that can be used to replicate certain interesting experiments, in particular one that appears, from peer reviewed journal publications,
to
produce a few neutrons. I've sold one set of materials to a teenager
who
did run the experiment. Great kid. He's in a documentary on cold
fusion as
a result. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2265577/ even mentions him. This kid is having serious fun.
Not a great movie, unfortunately.
I do not sell any information or information packages, just a vial of heavy water electrolyte with palladium and lithium chloride in it, and
a
plastic cell with gold and platinum wire electrodes, plus some solid
state
nuclear track detectors.
I've invested about $5000 in materials and equipment (to do my own experiments at some point), and I've collected about $400 from that
sale
and sales of the radiation detectors. I did not do this to profit.
I don't recruit people on the wiki to cold fusion, rather I recruit
people
interested in cold fusion to study and work on the related Wikiversity resource, and that resource is being used to collect materials and
study
the topic. I invite skeptics, *especially*.
I just incorporated Infusion Institute, Inc., in Massachusetts, to facilitate replication, under the strictest of protocols designed to address all skeptical objections, of work that is already generally confirmed and accepted in the peer reviewed literature, for up to
twenty
years. the goal is increased precision. I have an excellent Board of Directors, and the support of many scientists. This is real science,
and
we'll be raising some real money, to make happen what should have
happened
twenty years ago: definitive testing instead of argument from theory.
The rejection of cold fusion is what is known to sociologists as a "cascade," a phenomenon that has nothing to do with science and
everything
to do with social process. Both U.S. Department of Energy reviews recommended further research, and funding under existing programs,
which
never happened through the DoE. The 2004 review came close to
concluding
that evidence for the effect was conclusive. They essentially wanted
to see
more research.
I never challenged the designation of cold fusion on Wikipedia as
"fringe
science," but it did, in fact, pass on to "emerging science" roughly
ten
years ago.
What I did do on Wikipedia was to challenge administrative abuse. And I was sustained, my major sin there. That and my habit of detailed discussion. Wikipedia's design requires consensus, because that is the
only
objective standard for neutrality, but then the actual community is intolerant of what consensus requires: lots of discussion, often facilitation is required, because most people don't know how to
actually
resolve disagreements.
My stand on cold fusion is not a "belief." Science is not based on belief, but on experimental evidence and the scientific method.
Cold fusion is a mystery, as to how it works, but we know what it does, the original discovered effect converts deuterium to helium, the
evidence
for this is already overwhelming. I know the experimental evidence,
and I
know the scientists who did that published work, and it has some
obvious
implications, but .. that's not a "belief."
It's a conclusion from *direct evidence,* widely confirmed, with no contrary evidence. And the conclusion could still be wrong. I'd set the odds, though, at more than a million to one.
And none of this has to do with what Ottava did here, attempt to drive away someone interested in contributing to Wikiversity, because of his personal opinions and reactions and beliefs about what is Right. His
effect
on Wikiversity was highly disruptive and destructive. He attempted to
have
every bureaucrat removed, and much, much more.
This is what he's always done: attack anyone who interferes with his attempt to rule the wikis, with a farrago of lies.
Ottava Rex, give it up. You lost it. You've long been encouraged to
focus
on your field, complete your doctorate. Did you?
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell I'm so excited I can't wait for Now.
*From:* Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
*To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
Abd, you are one to talk. You were banned from en.wikipedia for pushing fringe beliefs on Cold Fusion and it turns out that you are trying to profit by selling your "information packages" to people.
Why do you people insist on using Wikiversity to profit? It is not your personal play ground to use to recruit people to your outside groups.
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