David Monniaux wrote: For your information, Firefox is also broken when you want to work with a combination of right to left and left to right. You can for instance upload a file with Farsi and English using IE but not with Firefox. So in many respects IE is preferable. Bottom line, support for a non standard characterset (seen from a centre periphery point of view - so DO select the wikinews logo for Wikinews :) ) is patchy in all offerings. Thanks, Gerard

Just to be clear -- my idea is to add, not to remove. Currently, there is AFAIK _NO_ possibility at all, how an anonymous user could choose the language of the interface. If you visit Commons, then until logging in, the whole interface is in English, and you have to log in using that English interface. Logged-in users can choose their language in preferences, and I do not want to change that. (Note that if Accept-Language would be "totally unacceptable", there just has to be some other way to choose interface language by anonymous users, e.g. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foobar?lang=cs, or whatever.) -- [[:cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]]

I now like this idea and would support it in a vote. :) I already explained how, although in my opinion it's pretty well hidden. Are you sure about Konquerer? I would swear the option is available towards the end of the KDE Control Center. That's a massive control panel, so I guess that's well hidden too... ;)

Hi!, thanks for the comments. Fine, the header might not be accurate. Your cousins use English version of Windows, so I guess they are able to understand English at least a bit. And although their preferred language would be Hebrew, they get English on Commons. But as soon as they create an account and log in, they can choose the language in preferences. No problem here. Fine, the header may not be perfect (but do you have a better idea?), but it is IMHO better than presenting English to _everyone_. The problem is not in the language of the contents, but in the language of interface. There are two reasons why you would visit, say, cs.wikipedia.org: Either you understand Czech and want to read something, or you want to e.g. insert interwiki links. For that, it would be fine if you would be able to create an account without any knowledge of Czech. And, as I said, the biggest problem for me lies in the international wikis like Meta and (especially) Commons. Every anonymous user (= every user before he/she could get to creating an account) is offered English interface. How can we expect him/her to create an account, if he/she does not understand English at all? Should the help page in each language mention things like "click the second button from the right, then fill in the upper edit box, ..." ? -- [[:cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:00:18 +0100, Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com> wrote: That is my whole idea. Yes, as I said, there are still issues to solve -- I think that MediaWiki code used on Commons is no different from the rest, so the code should handle both options, probably using some LocalSettings switch. You are of course right. Not to say that with the current state of LanguageXx files, there is no reason I should switch to cs: on en:, because I am able to understand English better than that half-pseudo-Czech, half-untranslated-English I would receive with the outdated LanguageCs.php file. -- [[ :cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]]