Hey,

Thanks for the info. Was the the image you were trying to import?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26155200@N00/4787954

I've made some changes and it seems to work now:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:On_Vaci_Utca%2C_Budapest....

I like the idea of importing the description as well, I'll look into that.

Travis

On 12/8/06, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Great extension.

Unfortunately it has problems with improper file names (on a search for Budapest , I get this message:"The filename "On+Vaci+Utca%2C+Budapest.jpg" contains characters that are not allowed in page titles. Please rename the file and try uploading it again.", maybe an option to rename the file would be nice).

And maybe the link to the original image, should be changed to the description page of the image?

And I don't know, if its possible, but maybe such a one click import would be useful to implement on commons, so that local wiki images can be imported in this way (maybe with an intermediate step with the option to change the description, possibly using suggestions from the Commonshelper).

Again, I must say you have done a wonderful job, and I have to say I was amased by the speed of it (just one click and the image is uploaded!).

Keep up the good work

Regards, Bence

On 12/8/06, Travis Derouin travis@wikihow.com wrote:

...

I've converted some code we've been using into an extension for

importing

...

properly licensed photos from flickr into a Mediawiki installation:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImportFreeImages

It makes use of the phpFlickr package for the API calls.

Feel free to play around with it here:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Special:ImportFreeImages

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On 12/10/06, Travis Derouin travis@wikihow.com wrote:

Unfortunately it looks like the API doesn't return the description of the image:

http://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.photos.search.html

Travis

And don't get the original size of a picture :(

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:The_Guggenheim_%28Subtitl...

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=308895239&size=o

On 12/10/06, Travis Derouin travis@wikihow.com wrote:

...

Hey,

Thanks for the info. Was the the image you were trying to import?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26155200@N00/4787954

I've made some changes and it seems to work now:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:On_Vaci_Utca%2C_Budapest....

...

I like the idea of importing the description as well, I'll look into

that.

...

Travis

On 12/8/06, Bence Damokos < bdamokos@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Great extension.

Unfortunately it has problems with improper file names (on a search

for

...

...

Budapest , I get this message:"The filename "On+Vaci+Utca%2C+Budapest.jpg" contains characters that are not allowed in page titles. Please rename the file and try uploading it again.", maybe an option to rename the file would be nice).

And maybe the link to the original image, should be changed to the description page of the image?

And I don't know, if its possible, but maybe such a one click import would be useful to implement on commons, so that local wiki images can be imported in this way (maybe with an intermediate step with the option to change the description, possibly using suggestions from the Commonshelper).

Again, I must say you have done a wonderful job, and I have to say I

was

...

...

amased by the speed of it (just one click and the image is uploaded!).

Keep up the good work

Regards, Bence

On 12/8/06, Travis Derouin <travis@wikihow.com > wrote:

...

I've converted some code we've been using into an extension for

importing

...

properly licensed photos from flickr into a Mediawiki installation:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImportFreeImages

It makes use of the phpFlickr package for the API calls.

Feel free to play around with it here:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Special:ImportFreeImages

...

...

...

Travis

Hi I also found, that if you search for something and click on next, then you get an empty page, because the next link doesn't pass on the query (ie. it links to http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php?title=Special:ImportFreeImages&... of http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php?title=Special:ImportFreeImages&...) Also if you use the search box after clicking next it passes on the query to index.php instead of index.php/Special:ImportFreeImages (eg. I get http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php?q=tate+gallery when searching after clicking next). Could this be because after clicking next the url changes to index.php?title=<title> form from index.php/<title> ?

Regards, Bence

On 12/10/06, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:

Hi!

Thanks for the info. Was the the image you were trying to import?

...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26155200@N00/4787954

I've made some changes and it seems to work now:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:On_Vaci_Utca%2C_Budapest....

I like the idea of importing the description as well, I'll look into that.

It was what I wanted: change the +es in teh filename to spaces, and include a link to the original description page. And you did just that! Good work, Bence

On 12/10/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:

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On 12/10/06, Travis Derouin travis@wikihow.com wrote:

...

Unfortunately it looks like the API doesn't return the description of

the

...

image:

http://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.photos.search.html

Travis

And don't get the original size of a picture :(

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:The_Guggenheim_%28Subtitl...

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=308895239&size=o

On 12/10/06, Travis Derouin < travis@wikihow.com> wrote:

...

...

Hey,

Thanks for the info. Was the the image you were trying to import?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26155200@N00/4787954

I've made some changes and it seems to work now:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:On_Vaci_Utca%2C_Budapest....

...

...

I like the idea of importing the description as well, I'll look into

that.

...

Travis

On 12/8/06, Bence Damokos < bdamokos@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Great extension.

Unfortunately it has problems with improper file names (on a

search

...

for

...

...

Budapest , I get this message:"The filename "On+Vaci+Utca%2C+Budapest.jpg" contains characters that are not allowed in page titles. Please

rename

...

...

...

the file and try uploading it again.", maybe an option to rename the

file

...

...

...

would be nice).

And maybe the link to the original image, should be changed to

the

...

...

...

description page of the image?

And I don't know, if its possible, but maybe such a one click

import

...

...

...

would be useful to implement on commons, so that local wiki images can

be

...

...

...

imported in this way (maybe with an intermediate step with the option to

change

...

...

...

the description, possibly using suggestions from the Commonshelper).

Again, I must say you have done a wonderful job, and I have to say

I

...

was

...

...

amased by the speed of it (just one click and the image is

uploaded!).

...

...

...

Keep up the good work

Regards, Bence

On 12/8/06, Travis Derouin <travis@wikihow.com > wrote:

...

I've converted some code we've been using into an extension for

importing

...

properly licensed photos from flickr into a Mediawiki

installation:

...

...

...

...

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImportFreeImages

It makes use of the phpFlickr package for the API calls.

Feel free to play around with it here:

http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Special:ImportFreeImages

...

...

...

Travis

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Thanks. I've updated the global variable names to be more specific.

I support an improvement that could be made could be to put the display configuration parameters, the license parameter and the sorting parameter as an option in the Mediawiki namespace. It might not be a good idea though to put the API key there however.

Travis

On 12/10/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:

You probably also want to review your naming of global configuration variables, and make sure that there won't be any possible ambiguity later. Also consider where the MediaWiki namespace can be used effectively to make things more customisable for the administrators.

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Thankfully since it's in SVN if someone feel particularly strong about something like this - they have the option of implementing it themselves.

On 12/11/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:

On 11/12/06, Travis Derouin travis@wikihow.com wrote:

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Thanks. I've updated the global variable names to be more specific.

I support an improvement that could be made could be to put the display configuration parameters, the license parameter and the sorting

parameter as

...

an option in the Mediawiki namespace. It might not be a good idea though

to

...

put the API key there however.

That's kinda the reason I said, "consider where" - I didn't mean, "shove it all in there", of course.

*Configuration* stuff should *not* go in the MediaWiki namespace. *Formatting* stuff should.

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On 11/12/06, Simetrical Simetrical+wikitech@gmail.com wrote:

Glancing over the code, I didn't notice any permission controls. Maybe it would be best to set up a user permission. It could default to everybody but be configurable, so that only sysops/autoconfirmed/etc. could upload them. IIRC, on Commons there's a huge queue of images from Flickr that need to be reviewed by sysops to ensure that their license as labeled is actually correct, so they might want to restrict this easy-upload to sysops only.

But these are essentially already reviewed! That's why it appears so useful to me. The only case this would miss is where the Flickr uploader has lied and the work is not actually their own (eg they uploaded all the promo images for their favourite band, and just happened to set the license as CC-BY for all their files).But I think only human intervention can avoid these cases and they seem to be luckily relatively rare, anyway.

$wgFlickrLicense should take CC-BY *and* CC-BY-SA.

As Rob suggested, I have a feeling $wgTemplateName should just point to something in MediaWiki: namespace.

As Luiz said, we really need to download the original hi-res version of images, too.

Also, it really needs an option to write a filename in. Flickr filenames are frequently meaningless. In the same vein, it appears to silently overwrite existing images of that name (see http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:Punk.jpg ). This is very, very bad. :)

cheers Brianna user:pfctdayelise

On 11/12/06, Simetrical Simetrical+wikitech@gmail.com wrote:

On 12/10/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:

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But these are essentially already reviewed! That's why it appears so useful to me. The only case this would miss is where the Flickr uploader has lied and the work is not actually their own (eg they uploaded all the promo images for their favourite band, and just happened to set the license as CC-BY for all their files).

They're already reviewed by someone who, quite likely, is not very familiar with copyright law (like, it must be admitted, most people who can upload to the Commons). However, this is a decision for Commonsers to make, and I won't venture an opinion. I was just suggesting that permissions functionality might be welcomed by some who'd like to use the extension.

OK, sure.

Heck, there are some wikis that are

totally locked down, and those certainly wouldn't want anons uploading random images to them.

If you try to import a Flickr image when you're not logged in, the "you need to login to upload" MediaWiki warning still comes up. I already tried it. :)

cheers, Brianna

Maybe by default be one-click, but have a checkbox for changing the default name, and also ask for a new name if a file by the same name exists.

Bence

On 12/11/06, Travis Derouin travis@wikihow.com wrote:

On 12/10/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:

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As Rob suggested, I have a feeling $wgTemplateName should just point to something in MediaWiki: namespace.

Yeah, this might be good, but if it's a template, when you want to change the look/feel or wording of the message, you can do so without having to update all of the images that are already imported.

As Luiz said, we really need to download the original hi-res version

...

of images, too.

Also, it really needs an option to write a filename in. Flickr filenames are frequently meaningless. In the same vein, it appears to silently overwrite existing images of that name (see http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:Punk.jpg ). This is very, very bad. :)

A good idea - but it interferes with the one-click ease of the tool. Do you have any ideas of ways to add this feature and still have it really easy to use?

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On 12/10/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:

But these are essentially already reviewed! That's why it appears so useful to me.

They aren't reviewed however. It takes the flickr page for granted... better than nothing but still.

The only case this would miss is where the Flickr uploader has lied and the work is not actually their own (eg they uploaded all the promo images for their favourite band, and just happened to set the license as CC-BY for all their files).But I think only human intervention can avoid these cases and they seem to be luckily relatively rare, anyway.

It happens.

Also this doesn't address flicker users who have accidentally selected a free licenses without conscious intent. Such cases are not a release under a free license.

Also this fails to take the opportunity to invite free content friendly flickr uploaders to come participate in our community directly.

These issues could be addressed by coupling the images with a review process which will have us contact the flickr uploader, as we've currently been doing for our older flickr images.

[snip]

As Luiz said, we really need to download the original hi-res version of images, too.

Yes. Nothing like this should be implemented without support for grabbing the full image.

Also, it really needs an option to write a filename in. Flickr filenames are frequently meaningless. In the same vein, it appears to silently overwrite existing images of that name (see http://wikidiy.com/mediawiki-1.8.2/index.php/Image:Punk.jpg ). This is very, very bad. :)

Good catch.

On 12/11/06, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:

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They aren't reviewed however. It takes the flickr page for granted... better than nothing but still.

What do you mean it takes it for granted? You mean it assumes the flickr page is correct? Well... that is all we humans do as well...

No it's not.. hopefully you are also sanity checking in other ways... For example, the human readable flicker comments sometimes make it clear that the image is a copyright violation. Sometimes the image is of a movie poster or is something else that is clearly a derived work. People do catch these sort of problems in flickr review.

I guess people who manually upload Flickr images are not double-checking the photographer's intent, so I don't know why an automated process should.

The current review process asks the reviewer to leave the flickr contributor a comment thanking them for freely releasing their image.

As above...it is hard to imagine why a flickr user would stop using flickr and start using Commons, though. We offer basically no benefits for them over Flickr, superior species classification is about the only thing I can think of. Without even using Commons, their images are already being used in Wikipedia, so why would they switch? ;)

For the same reasons that anyone else would contribute.

Many people don't know that Wikipedia is user submitted content. Thanking a photographer whos work we are using is a great opportunity to educate and solicit participation from a wider collection of people.

Having said that, it would be cool to extend an invitation, but I don't think that necessarily has a lot to do with an extension like this. As you said it's more of a review process.

I only replied because your prior post caused me to think that you considered this tool a replacement for a review process.

I think an uploader tool is great, especially if we can figure out how to make it facilitate the review process, for example by pre-tagging the image for review and by collecting as much data as possible.