I'm starting a new thread because I noticed my news reader has glued together messages with the title "A potential land mine" and "MW test infrastructure architecture," which may confuse someone coming into the discussion late. Also, the previous thread has branched into several topics and I want to concentrate on only one, specifically what can we assume about the system environment for a test infrastructure? These assumptions have direct impact on what test harness we use. Let me start by stating what I think can be assumed. Then people can tell me I am full of beans, add to the assumptions, subtract from them, etc. The first thing I would assume is that a development system is less constrained than a production system in what can and what cannot be installed. For example, people shot down my proposal to automatically discover the MW root directory because some production systems have administrators without root access, without the ability to load code into the PEAR directory, etc. Fair enough (although minimizing the number of places where $IP is computed is still important). However, if you are doing MW development, then I think this assumption is too stringent. You need to run the tests in /tests/PHPUnitTests, which in at least one case requires the use of $wgDBadminuser and $wgDBadminpassword, something a non-priviledged user would not be allowed to do. If a developer has more system privileges than a production admin, to what extent? Can we assume he has root access? If not, can we assume he can get someone who has to do things like install PHPUnit? Can we assume the availability of PERL or should we only assume PHP? Can we assume *AMP (e.g., LAMP, WAMP, MAMP, XAMP)? Can we assume PEAR? Can the developer install into PEAR? Dan _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

For example, people shot down my proposal to automatically discover the MW root directory because some production systems have administrators without root access, without the ability to load code into the PEAR directory, etc.

If a developer has more system privileges than a production admin, to what extent? Can we assume he has root access? If not, can we assume he can get someone who has to do things like install PHPUnit? Can we assume the availability of PERL or should we only assume PHP? Can we assume *AMP (e.g., LAMP, WAMP, MAMP, XAMP)? Can we assume PEAR? Can the developer install into PEAR?