On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:19:31PM +0530, Arvind Narayanan wrote:

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 12:34:55PM +0100, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 04:21:21PM +0530, Arvind Narayanan wrote:

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Hi,

I have uploaded a few chess images by taking screenshots, which is quite cumbersome.

Wikiproject Chess says

Having uniform chess diagrams will be easy once LaTeX chess support is here. Word has it that it will soon be implemented on wikipedia. It is already implemented on http://wikisophia.org.

Any plans of integrating the wikisophia.org implementation into MediaWiki?

Where's documentation for that chess package ?

In the doc/ directory. Not sure if that's what you're asking though.

None in http://wikisophia.org/doc. I want url to documentation for the TeX chess package you're using there.

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:52:22AM -0800, Peter Danenberg wrote:

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Any plans of integrating the wikisophia.org

implementation into

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MediaWiki?

Tag-dogmatism has stalled the project:

http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Rend

"creativity management" and developers have found

no medium.

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Throwing the baby out with the bathwater :(

Arvind

I agree - I left this the below text at the on the above link, with a comment for Erik.

===Simple=== If differentiation is required, it's not because *users need to know what the difference technically means. <Rend> is no doubt supposed to mean "render" - is this material to the user? If a distinction between <rend math> and <math> is required, an <rmath> tag will work just fine. Same obviously goes for the others. This problem does not appear to be neurosurgery. -Kunishiro

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Some weeks ago, we restarted speak to switch the French Wikipedia to UTF-8. The discussion deadline was schedule to yesterday and a very large consensus is achieved:

* For: 27,

* Neutral: 1,

* Against: 0.

The only concerns relate to tell users how to get a Unicode compliant browser and fix eventual problem the switch may generate.

Can you please switch French Wikipedia to UTF-8?

If we need to make some manual change in articles, please tell us. We have 2 bots that can make this kind of work.

Regards,

Aoineko

PS : The discussion (in French): http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%E9dia:Prise_de_d%E9cision/UTF-8

Hi,

Guillaume Blanchard wrote:

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Can you please switch French Wikipedia to UTF-8?

PS : The discussion (in French): http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%E9dia:Prise_de_d%E9cision/UTF-8

To be entirely honest, it doesn't seem like everybody is aware of the consequences of such a switch. Unless extra mechanisms are introduced in the software to handle this, all articles will have broken accents everywhere. To fix all that would be a task for life, and you can't even be sure if you've caught everything.

Personally, I think it would make sense to add something to the DB to specify that an article is still in Latin-1, and let the software convert it to UTF-8 whenever it is saved. However, this would take time to program.

This would only be a temporary solution. I think that the proper way is to use a bot to convert the faulty characters.

YMMV.

Timwi

Yann

Evan Prodromou wrote:

Whoever is going to do this: I actually moved Wikitravel to UTF-8. I outlined a procedure here:

http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2003-December/000066.html

This is actually quite a good idea. This will probably work, of course with the only caveat that the site will be unavailable (or at least uneditable) during this time.

Timwi

On Mar 9, 2004, at 17:11, Guillaume Blanchard wrote:

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Evan Prodromou wrote:

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Whoever is going to do this: I actually moved Wikitravel to UTF-8. I outlined a procedure here:

http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2003-December/ 000066.html

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This is actually quite a good idea. This will probably work, of course with the only caveat that the site will be unavailable (or at least uneditable) during this time.

Timwi

At what time (GTM) can you try to switch? About how long it may take? Bots will convert accents in articles after the switch, but do we need some change in LanguageFr.php ?

Bots cannot make the necessary changes.

The entire database needs to be dumped, converted, and re-imported.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

You probably never hear about that, but there is a TeX module to write the hieroglyphs text from a specific syntax. For example <-p:t-o-l:m-i-i-s->! may render the name of the pharaoh Ptolemy into a cartouche. Package is downloadable here: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/hieroglyph/?action=/tex-archive/fonts/. I would like to be able to use it on Wikipedia, but if it is not possible, I thought of an alternative simple idea.

The alternative idea is to generate and load all pictures on the server (basic set is about 300 small pictures) and to create an external tool (I can host it) to generate wiki-table that put together those pictures to create hieroglyph text. This solution needs no modification to the software but make text modification difficult.

For example, put p:t-o-l:m-i-i-s! in the tool may create the following table we just have to copy and paste to Wikipedia:

{|

| |[[image:hiero_p.png]] | [[image:hiero_t.png]]

| rowspan="2" | [[image:hiero_o.png]]

| [[image:hiero_l.png]] | [[image:hiero_m.png]]

| rowspan="2" | [[image:hiero_i.png]]

| rowspan="2" | [[image:hiero_i.png]]

| rowspan="2" | [[image:hiero_s.png]]

|}

TeX or WikiTable generator, what is your recommendation?

Aoineko

I agree - I left this the below text at the on the above link, with a comment for Erik.

Truth is, we're planning support for svg, gnuplot, go and genaeology. Sysops will be able to change tag parameters on the fly; removing, if necessary, the 'rend' element and substituting local equivalents for class names.

Look for it mid-April; and Erik asked us to upload a tarball for you guys to play with.

Best, Peter

Arvind Narayanan wrote:

Hi,

I've been playing around with making chess diagrams using a table, and it seems to work fine. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arvindn/Chess for an example and rationale.

Hm, can we use Wiki table syntax for this?...

I've changed your page; it would be nice if you would update your script accordingly.