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David Cuenca

15 Jul 2014 15 Jul '14

1 p.m.

Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the "Not logged in" page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the "Log in" page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the "log in" page instead of showing that dumb "Not logged in" page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? Cheers, Micru

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Bartosz Dziewoński

15 Jul 15 Jul

3:10 p.m.

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There is some old discussion on <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484>, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex

Jon Robson

8:32 p.m.

Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński <matma.rex(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

There is some old discussion on <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484>, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Tyler Romeo

8:49 p.m.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146515 -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> Reply: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>> Date: July 15, 2014 at 14:32:19 To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] "Not logged in" page Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński <matma.rex(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Risker

9:04 p.m.

Would this return the user to the page that was originally requested, and from which they were diverted? I ask because a lot of people bookmark their watchlist as the easiest way to wind up where they want to be. Getting a log-in screen first if they're not already logged in would work fine, but then they'd want to be sent back to the watchlist. Risker/Anne On 15 July 2014 14:49, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>

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> Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the > "Not logged in" page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to > click again to go to the "Log in" page. Wouldn't it be better to just > redirect to the "log in" page instead of showing that dumb "Not logged

in"

> page? > > Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the

existence

of that page...?

There is some old discussion on <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484>, which asks for

the

same thing. -- Matma Rex _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Tyler Romeo

9:05 p.m.

Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> Reply: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>> Date: July 15, 2014 at 15:04:18 To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] "Not logged in" page Would this return the user to the page that was originally requested, and from which they were diverted? I ask because a lot of people bookmark their watchlist as the easiest way to wind up where they want to be. Getting a log-in screen first if they're not already logged in would work fine, but then they'd want to be sent back to the watchlist. Risker/Anne On 15 July 2014 14:49, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>

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> page? > > Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the

existence

of that page...?

There is some old discussion on <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484>, which asks for

the

same thing. -- Matma Rex _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Gergo Tisza

16 Jul 16 Jul

12:35 a.m.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes).

The other exception is when you are already logged in (in which case you get a very confusing form telling you to log in as another user). This change makes that behavior much more annoying when e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs.

Jon Robson

12:46 a.m.

This seems like a bit of an edge case. If you are worried about this then I would say you want to check the keep me logged in box... On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Gergo Tisza <gtisza(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes).

-- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon

John Mark Vandenberg

2:47 a.m.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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This seems like a bit of an edge case. If you are worried about this then I would say you want to check the keep me logged in box...

For some of us power users, it will be an edge case we hit annoyingly regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Irrespective of that, instead of redirecting to Special:UserLogin, the login box could appear, with the form submission being processed at Special:UserLogin. Crazy idea, I know, but lots of other software does that. Another approach, which IMO should be done as a fallback, is to use an approach similar to 'action=edit&redlink=1' and 'redirect=no' to state in the URL that the user doesnt want to login a second time, but would like to be logged in and return to another page. i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=S… If they reload that URL while logged in, it wont ask for login. This would be similar to the API assert=bot/user logic. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Assert -- John Vandenberg

Jon Robson

3:25 a.m.

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regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc.

Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge cases!

Bryan Davis

3:38 a.m.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc.

Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge cases!

Logout was discussed recently on the QA list [0]. The discussion lead to Jon Robson pointing out bug 49890 [1] where Chris Steipp stated that logout is global. [0]:https://www.mail-archive.com/qa@lists.wikimedia.org/msg01559.html [1]: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundation <bd808(a)wikimedia.org> [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software Engineer Boise, ID USA irc: bd808 v:415.839.6885 x6855

Florian Schmidt

7:59 a.m.

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e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs.

Is there any use case for this scenario why to have a login page when returnto/returntoquery is set and you are already logged in? My idea behind this: You have to reload the page in all cases (with redirect to login and without, with a reload using browser (F5 e.g.) or with a click on login on login page). So maybe the following implementation helps: If you are already logged in and returnto/returntoquery is set, you will be redirect to the returnto location directly without the "you are already loggedin, login with another account" screen. So, to come back to your use case, you login in one tab and hit F5 to all other tabs and will be redirected to the pages you requested as a logged in user. Just an idea :) Kind regards Florian Am 2014-07-16 00:35, schrieb Gergo Tisza:

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes).

David Cuenca

3:25 p.m.

Tyler, many thanks for attempting to fix this! I hope it can be merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

in"

> page? > > Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the

existence

of that page...?

There is some old discussion on <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484>, which asks for

the

same thing. -- Matma Rex _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Bartosz Dziewoński
Bryan Davis
David Cuenca
Florian Schmidt
Gergo Tisza
John Mark Vandenberg
Jon Robson
Risker
Tyler Romeo