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Adam Sobieski

5 Feb 2021 5 Feb '21

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Thad, Thank you for the information about schema.org with respect to ClaimReview<https://schema.org/ClaimReview>ew>. A point of disagreement with that schema.org model is the ratings system concept (x out of N). Instead, for discussion, I prefer a more annotational approach for fact checking with typed annotations produced and consumed by both humans and software tools. That is, I prefer the concept of an informational message, warning, error system for fact checking resembling software IDE’s. Such a model is intuitive, can be readily formalized, made machine-utilizable, and typed annotations – informational messages, warnings, and errors – can be merged from multiple sources or service providers. Best regards, Adam P.S.: As interesting, a new W3C Community Group is launching on the topic of document services. The group intends to discuss and make new architecture and API to facilitate: spellchecking, grammar checking, proofreading, fact checking, mathematical proof checking, reasoning checking, argumentation checking, and narrative checking. If the group interests you, please do feel free to support the creation of the group: https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#services . From: Thad Guidry<mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 3:12 PM To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project<mailto:wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikispore experimental project<mailto:wikispore@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? Oops, the better link for the Schema.org work to support fact checking (some even still in progress after 3 years) probably should have been this: http://blog.schema.org/2017/08/schemaorg-33-news-fact-checking.html Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/

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Andre Klapper

6 Feb 6 Feb

12:47 a.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

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Thank you for the information about schema.org with respect toClaimReview.

Not sure why this was crossposted to wikitech-l@. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

Pharos

3:34 a.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:49 PM Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

Thank you for the information about schema.org with respect toClaimReview.

Not sure why this was crossposted to wikitech-l@. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects

If someone does have such a proposal, you are welcome to implement it as one of the "spores" on Wikispore: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Spores You can also learn more about the wider world of Wikispore here: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/FAQ Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)

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Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Mateus Santos

8 Feb 8 Feb

12:47 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

I am very interested in this idea. This thread could be the genesis of a Working Group? I believe we could have a centralized place to discuss the pros and cons, what's the best channel? Best, Mateus On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 3:34 AM Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:49 PM Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

Thank you for the information about schema.org with respect toClaimReview.

Not sure why this was crossposted to wikitech-l@. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects

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Adam Sobieski

9 Feb 9 Feb

2:08 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

Thank you Andre, Richard, and Mateus. I have created a project proposal for Wikifact: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact . I hope to improve it as discussion unfolds. While awaiting a new channel or working group to discuss the pros and cons, please feel free to make use of the project proposal page and its discussion page. From: Mateus Santos<mailto:msantos@wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 6:48 AM To: For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? I am very interested in this idea. This thread could be the genesis of a Working Group? I believe we could have a centralized place to discuss the pros and cons, what's the best channel? Best, Mateus On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 3:34 AM Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com<mailto:pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:49 PM Andre Klapper <aklapper@wikimedia.org<mailto:aklapper@wikimedia.org>> wrote: On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

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Thank you for the information about schema.org<http://schema.org> with respect toClaimReview.

Not sure why this was crossposted to wikitech-l@. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects If someone does have such a proposal, you are welcome to implement it as one of the "spores" on Wikispore: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Spores You can also learn more about the wider world of Wikispore here: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/FAQ Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Houcemeddine A. Turki

10:50 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

Dear Sir, I thank you for your answer. I also discussed an idea to create a structured edition of Wikinews that can be easily curated and efficiently enriched from the RSS Feeds. I presented it in the WikiSpore day. Please check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75Fv7Snc_w at 1:26:36. If the idea goes in line with the Wikifacts project, we will be honored to help in turning it into practice. However, I am for the idea of letting it hosted as a part of Wikinews just as Structured Commons. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki From: Adam Sobieski<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 3:16 PM To: For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? Thank you Andre, Richard, and Mateus. I have created a project proposal for Wikifact: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact . I hope to improve it as discussion unfolds. While awaiting a new channel or working group to discuss the pros and cons, please feel free to make use of the project proposal page and its discussion page. From: Mateus Santos<mailto:msantos@wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 6:48 AM To: For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? I am very interested in this idea. This thread could be the genesis of a Working Group? I believe we could have a centralized place to discuss the pros and cons, what's the best channel? Best, Mateus On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 3:34 AM Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com<mailto:pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:49 PM Andre Klapper <aklapper@wikimedia.org<mailto:aklapper@wikimedia.org>> wrote: On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

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Thank you for the information about schema.org<http://schema.org> with respect toClaimReview.

Houcemeddine A. Turki

11 Feb 11 Feb

10:03 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

Dear Sir, I thank you for your answer. I invite you to see https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3269206.3271674. This paper is closely related to Wikifacts. The senior author is Jiawei Han, one of the most cited scientists. There are other interesting related papers at https://dl.acm.org/doi/proceedings/10.1145/3269206#heading19. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki From: Houcemeddine A. Turki<mailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:07 AM To: For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? Dear Sir, I thank you for your answer. I also discussed an idea to create a structured edition of Wikinews that can be easily curated and efficiently enriched from the RSS Feeds. I presented it in the WikiSpore day. Please check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75Fv7Snc_w at 1:26:36. If the idea goes in line with the Wikifacts project, we will be honored to help in turning it into practice. However, I am for the idea of letting it hosted as a part of Wikinews just as Structured Commons. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki From: Adam Sobieski<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 3:16 PM To: For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? Thank you Andre, Richard, and Mateus. I have created a project proposal for Wikifact: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact . I hope to improve it as discussion unfolds. While awaiting a new channel or working group to discuss the pros and cons, please feel free to make use of the project proposal page and its discussion page. From: Mateus Santos<mailto:msantos@wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 6:48 AM To: For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects<mailto:wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? I am very interested in this idea. This thread could be the genesis of a Working Group? I believe we could have a centralized place to discuss the pros and cons, what's the best channel? Best, Mateus On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 3:34 AM Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com<mailto:pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:49 PM Andre Klapper <aklapper@wikimedia.org<mailto:aklapper@wikimedia.org>> wrote: On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

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Thank you for the information about schema.org<http://schema.org> with respect toClaimReview.

Rohitesh Kumar Jain

13 Feb 13 Feb

12:50 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

Hi, I am interested in this idea, I haven't contributed to the Wikimedia yet but I have been actively following Wikimedia org for the last 3-4 months in search of interesting projects to work upon, I guess I have found one! Best, Rohitesh Kumar Jain On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:50 PM Houcemeddine A. Turki < turkiabdelwaheb(a)hotmail.fr> wrote:

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Dear Sir, I thank you for your answer. I invite you to see https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3269206.3271674. This paper is closely related to Wikifacts. The senior author is Jiawei Han, one of the most cited scientists. There are other interesting related papers at https://dl.acm.org/doi/proceedings/10.1145/3269206#heading19. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki *From: *Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb(a)hotmail.fr> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:07 AM *To: *For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject: *Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? Dear Sir, I thank you for your answer. I also discussed an idea to create a structured edition of Wikinews that can be easily curated and efficiently enriched from the RSS Feeds. I presented it in the WikiSpore day. Please check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75Fv7Snc_w at 1:26:36. If the idea goes in line with the Wikifacts project, we will be honored to help in turning it into practice. However, I am for the idea of letting it hosted as a part of Wikinews just as Structured Commons. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki *From: *Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski(a)hotmail.com> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 9, 2021 3:16 PM *To: *For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject: *Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? Thank you Andre, Richard, and Mateus. I have created a project proposal for Wikifact: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact . I hope to improve it as discussion unfolds. While awaiting a new channel or working group to discuss the pros and cons, please feel free to make use of the project proposal page and its discussion page. *From: *Mateus Santos <msantos(a)wikimedia.org> *Sent: *Monday, February 8, 2021 6:48 AM *To: *For developers discussing technical aspects and organization of Wikimedia projects <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject: *Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ? I am very interested in this idea. This thread could be the genesis of a Working Group? I believe we could have a centralized place to discuss the pros and cons, what's the best channel? Best, Mateus On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 3:34 AM Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:49 PM Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 22:00 +0000, Adam Sobieski wrote:

Thank you for the information about schema.org with respect toClaimReview.

Not sure why this was crossposted to wikitech-l@. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects If someone does have such a proposal, you are welcome to implement it as one of the "spores" on Wikispore: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Spores You can also learn more about the wider world of Wikispore here: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/FAQ Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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