James Forrester <jforrester <at> wikimedia.org> writes:
On 28 April 2013 13:04, Moriel Schottlender <moriel <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> This is my second attempt for a proposal, but I think this is a project
> that is *much* better than my previous one, and has a much bigger
> I'd love to work on this as a GSoC project!
> Before I submit this as an official proposal, I'd like to ask for your
> thoughts about this. The proposal concentrates on adding RTL support to
> VisualEditor, especially based on this requirements/spec page:
> Hebrew is my maiden language, and I'm
familiar with a lot of the
> that are raised when using RTL, especially when
using it alongside a mix
> LTR and RTL languages.
> A first draft of this proposal is available here:
> html5. However, this is my first time applying
for GSoC and it's my
contributing to such a big project as MediaWiki and VisualEditor :)
I'd love to hear your thoughts, ideas and feedback!
Thank you again,
Thank you for your proposal. It's a hugely-important area for us, and
having someone come forward to work on it is very welcome. (As Amir
puts it, "getting [RTL support] done by a person who knows an RTL
language is obviously preferable".) It would be really excellent to
have you work on this.
That said, I worry that this wouldn't be an ideal fit for Google
Summer of Code. The project as a project is as "stand-alone" as they
recommend, and would involve getting very deep into the intricacies of
how the "ContentEditable" area of VisualEditor works. This would be a
huge amount for you to learn - less a learning hill and more a cliff,
and right now this area of the code is changing quite a lot so it
would be difficult to work in RTL changes. Inez (copied), who's one of
our "ContentEditable" leads, has said he'd be keen to mentor you on
this, and I'd love to co-mentor.
There's also the issue that this is frankly stuff we should be getting
right already. It would be hard for you to "own" the result as
much, and it would be difficult to schedule the work into a timetable
as Google suggests - as we added new features, we would no-doubt
extend your work on indefinitely, and it would be hard to find the
point where you were "done". If you're worried about ownership and
lack of scope, improving language support in the VisualEditor starts
but does not end with the core RTL support outlined in that document.
There are a number of things that you might wish to also do, like add
a "language inspector" that would let a user tag a section of the page
they're editing as in a language (for multi-lingual wikis).
Just as a reminder, you should put this forward into the GSoC system
) as soon as possible. Happy to answer any questions you have!
James D. Forrester
Product Manager, VisualEditor
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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James, thank you very much for your answer and thoughtful points. I have to
admit, I had a feeling this may be something that's not as "easy as it
sounds". However, I am *more* than ready for the challenge. I am pretty
learner. But more than everything, I think I can get into the project if I
have a bit of help pointing me in the right direction.
The issue of the changing code may be a bigger problem, though; I want to
make sure I contribute something beneficial -- do you think it is possible
to work on a project that serves as groundwork for later improvement? If we
know in advance the code is going through changes, perhaps I can work on a
more flexible addition that can be adapted slightly to changes in the
It's hard for me to recommend the proper strategy at the moment, but I am
wondering if this may be a good idea to add or think about when working on
the project. I'd love to be able to work on this project, and I think that
with a bit of planning, we may be able to find a strategy that can work
despite the changing and updating code. Do you think it's realistic?
Regarding ownership etc, I want to contribute and help the project
regardless. GSoC is simply an awesome entry-point to help me get into the
process with the help of a mentor and an organized project, so I'd like to
try and see if I can join through the official process..
I submitted the application officially to the GSoC site and updated my
status in the general GSoC2013 page. I'm also hoping to update the proposal
itself in the next few days based on your recommendations.
Thanks again for the input, and let me know what you think of my