While browsing Japanese Wikipedia, I found this https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%86%E9%A6%AC%E9%AB%98%E5%8E%9F%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E5%9C%92 article with beautiful photos. Although I cannot read Japanese, my understanding from an automated translation is that the article describes the Tajima Highland Botanical Garden in Kami, Hyogo prefecture, Japan, and that there are over 2,000 types of plants in these gardens.
The botanical garden article reminded me of an English Wikipedia featured article that I enjoyed reading, "*Bonshō* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsh%C5%8D".
There is a series of photos of a high speed Japanese train that is under consideration for the Featured picture designation on English Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/N700_Series_Shinkansen. By looking at the code for this nomination, I learned about the “frameless” parameter for images https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Size_and_frame, which I think is new to me.
I am a low ranking novice in the subject of continuous integration in software development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration, and I understand merely some of this email https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2019-June/092171.html, but there appears to be good news regarding MediaWiki CI jobs.
What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any language.
On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 07:17 +0000, Pine W wrote:
While browsing Japanese Wikipedia, I found this
As "What's making you happy this week" messages seem to contain no questions, no expected interaction or followup on specific technical topics, no announcements about specific technical topics, and often no connection to the technical scope of wikitech-l@ (in the previous message, 1 out of 4 items covered a technical aspect), but seem to be a random link list of collected personal interest items: Has it been considered to post such messages to a personal blog (or such) instead, which might be a more suitable venue?
andre
Hi Andre,
I think that whether these threads are welcome by Wikitech-l subscribers in general is a reasonable question, although I disagree with a number of elements of your description of these threads. I took a somewhat bold step in February 2018 of expanding the posting of these threads from Wikimedia-l to both Wikimedia-l and Wikitech-l, and I expressed a willingness to listen to objections; see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-February/089495.html. At that time, no one objected.
Of the occasional feedback that I have received in public (more on Wikimedia-l than Wikitech-l) and private, 100% has been positive until now. However, I recognize that people's opinions may change over time. If a consensus emerges from Wikitech-l subscribers that these threads are not currently welcome on Wikitech-l then I will respect that and I will stop cross-posting the threads to Wikitech-l. However, if no such consensus emerges, then I suggest that you ignore these threads in the future.
The purpose of these emails is certainly not to annoy people, and I regret if people find them to be more annoying than interesting, useful, or encouraging.
I hope that people will contribute their own posts to these threads in response to the prompt, "What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any language." Also, I would be happy to see a new person start these threads each week, and to see multiple people contribute their thoughts each week. However, if a new consensus emerges in against having these threads on Wikitech-l, then I will abide by that consensus.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:45 AM Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 07:17 +0000, Pine W wrote:
While browsing Japanese Wikipedia, I found this
As "What's making you happy this week" messages seem to contain no questions, no expected interaction or followup on specific technical topics, no announcements about specific technical topics, and often no connection to the technical scope of wikitech-l@ (in the previous message, 1 out of 4 items covered a technical aspect), but seem to be a random link list of collected personal interest items: Has it been considered to post such messages to a personal blog (or such) instead, which might be a more suitable venue?
andre
Andre Klapper | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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I personally think these threads are fine (within reason) if they are thankful about technical things and/or stuff connected to mediawiki. Generic things about the wikimedia movement should stay on wikimedia-l; we have multiple mailing lists with different scopes for a reason. In that light, I consider the majority of your posts on this topic to be offtopic.
I would prefer that subject lines stay english. People use subject lines to sort their mail into whats interesting to them. Random language subjects interfere with that.
On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Andre,
I think that whether these threads are welcome by Wikitech-l subscribers in general is a reasonable question, although I disagree with a number of elements of your description of these threads. I took a somewhat bold step in February 2018 of expanding the posting of these threads from Wikimedia-l to both Wikimedia-l and Wikitech-l, and I expressed a willingness to listen to objections; see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-February/089495.html . At that time, no one objected.
Of the occasional feedback that I have received in public (more on Wikimedia-l than Wikitech-l) and private, 100% has been positive until now. However, I recognize that people's opinions may change over time. If a consensus emerges from Wikitech-l subscribers that these threads are not currently welcome on Wikitech-l then I will respect that and I will stop cross-posting the threads to Wikitech-l. However, if no such consensus emerges, then I suggest that you ignore these threads in the future.
The purpose of these emails is certainly not to annoy people, and I regret if people find them to be more annoying than interesting, useful, or encouraging.
I hope that people will contribute their own posts to these threads in response to the prompt, "What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any language." Also, I would be happy to see a new person start these threads each week, and to see multiple people contribute their thoughts each week. However, if a new consensus emerges in against having these threads on Wikitech-l, then I will abide by that consensus.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:45 AM Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 07:17 +0000, Pine W wrote:
While browsing Japanese Wikipedia, I found this
As "What's making you happy this week" messages seem to contain no questions, no expected interaction or followup on specific technical topics, no announcements about specific technical topics, and often no connection to the technical scope of wikitech-l@ (in the previous message, 1 out of 4 items covered a technical aspect), but seem to be a random link list of collected personal interest items: Has it been considered to post such messages to a personal blog (or such) instead, which might be a more suitable venue?
andre
Andre Klapper | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Brian,
Thanks for the civil comments.
I think that language diversity valuable, and there is no requirement to post in English to this list.
Although I appreciate the idea, I am unwilling to create a more narrowly focused version of these threads for Wikitech-l. Someone else might be willing to do that.
The 2 !votes against and 0 !votes in favor of continuing to cross post these threads to Wikitech-l in their current form likely mean that I will post these threads only to Wikimedia-l in the future. Although I am mildly disappointed, I am OK with that.
I should probably sign up for WikiMedia-l Then.
I quite like these emails.
Thanks, Pine
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 09:01, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Brian,
Thanks for the civil comments.
I think that language diversity valuable, and there is no requirement to post in English to this list.
Although I appreciate the idea, I am unwilling to create a more narrowly focused version of these threads for Wikitech-l. Someone else might be willing to do that.
The 2 !votes against and 0 !votes in favor of continuing to cross post these threads to Wikitech-l in their current form likely mean that I will post these threads only to Wikimedia-l in the future. Although I am mildly disappointed, I am OK with that.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
So here is one vote in favor, if that helps.
Because seeing what is achieved and that there is somebody who actually cares makes me a bit happier each week. I do not find these threads too intrusive and there is too little positive news, anyway. Maybe, to help people filter these mails out easier, you could put the English title first and the non-English second.
Cheers Stephan
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:00 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Brian,
Thanks for the civil comments.
I think that language diversity valuable, and there is no requirement to post in English to this list.
Although I appreciate the idea, I am unwilling to create a more narrowly focused version of these threads for Wikitech-l. Someone else might be willing to do that.
The 2 !votes against and 0 !votes in favor of continuing to cross post these threads to Wikitech-l in their current form likely mean that I will post these threads only to Wikimedia-l in the future. Although I am mildly disappointed, I am OK with that.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Hi,
Thank you for the positive comments, Stephan and RhinosF1.
I think that there is not a clear public majority opposed or in favor of continuing to have these threads on Wikitech-l in their current form. The relatively small number of people who commented suggests to me that most readers of this list are neutral. I will err on the side of caution and stop sharing the threads to Wikitech-l. I will continue to post these threads to Wikimedia-l. Also, I will share modified versions of the content for these threads in *The Signpost* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost, starting with the next issue of that publication. If someone would like to create a Wikitech-specific version of these threads, I think that they are welcome to do that.
Mailing lists aren't really a good place to establish consensus, as every time someone weighs in, everyone is notified, so 'me too's are frowned upon in principle.
Perhaps you might want to create an actual poll about preferred venues etc onwiki and then send out a message to wikimedia-l linking to that if you want a more meaningful assessment.
-I
On 24/06/2019 01:42, Pine W wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for the positive comments, Stephan and RhinosF1.
I think that there is not a clear public majority opposed or in favor of continuing to have these threads on Wikitech-l in their current form. The relatively small number of people who commented suggests to me that most readers of this list are neutral. I will err on the side of caution and stop sharing the threads to Wikitech-l. I will continue to post these threads to Wikimedia-l. Also, I will share modified versions of the content for these threads in *The Signpost* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost, starting with the next issue of that publication. If someone would like to create a Wikitech-specific version of these threads, I think that they are welcome to do that.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Regular practice of gratitude is well-understood to be a key element of personal well-being (and while community health is a less researched area, it seems likely that the benefits extend there too). As such these threads are IMO very useful.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 6:40 PM Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Mailing lists aren't really a good place to establish consensus, as every time someone weighs in, everyone is notified, so 'me too's are frowned upon in principle.
Perhaps you might want to create an actual poll about preferred venues etc onwiki and then send out a message to wikimedia-l linking to that if you want a more meaningful assessment.
-I
On 24/06/2019 01:42, Pine W wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for the positive comments, Stephan and RhinosF1.
I think that there is not a clear public majority opposed or in favor of continuing to have these threads on Wikitech-l in their current form. The relatively small number of people who commented suggests to me that most readers of this list are neutral. I will err on the side of caution and stop sharing the threads to Wikitech-l. I will continue to post these threads to Wikimedia-l. Also, I will share modified versions of the
content
for these threads in *The Signpost* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost, starting
with
the next issue of that publication. If someone would like to create a Wikitech-specific version of these threads, I think that they are welcome to do that.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi Isarra and Gergo,
Thanks very much for the feedback.
I appreciate the suggestion about a poll. I have been reluctant to start a poll about this because I have several other issues that are occupying my mind at the moment, including WMF's relationship with the community/communities in general and ENWP in particular. Also, I have other tasks that I need to complete.
I am continuing to send these threads to Wikimedia-l, and as of this month an adapted version of these threads is included in *The Signpost* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost.
In the future, I think that a poll would be worth considering. In the meantime I think that Wikitech-l may be well served by the "Thank you Tuesday" threads.
Regards,
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:53 AM Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
Regular practice of gratitude is well-understood to be a key element of personal well-being (and while community health is a less researched area, it seems likely that the benefits extend there too). As such these threads are IMO very useful.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 6:40 PM Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Mailing lists aren't really a good place to establish consensus, as every time someone weighs in, everyone is notified, so 'me too's are frowned upon in principle.
Perhaps you might want to create an actual poll about preferred venues etc onwiki and then send out a message to wikimedia-l linking to that if you want a more meaningful assessment.
-I
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