Is the Go button really necessary?
I think it is highly confusing and cluttering. I would prefer to have just Search. I have seen several MW newbies trying to figure out whether they should click Go or Search.
If you think it should stay, it's label must change to something more intuitive. But the best thing would be to get rid of it in 1.3.8 or 1.4.
NSK-
Is the Go button really necessary?
I think it is highly confusing and cluttering. I would prefer to have just Search. I have seen several MW newbies trying to figure out whether they should click Go or Search.
Then what should that button do? Are you saying you want to give up the functionality of the Go button entirely? That would be stupid, since many people rely on it every day, especially when the full text search is down.
I agree that the current system isn't intuitive. This bug
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577
proposes an alternative UI modeled somewhat after Everything2. But the two buttons do different things, which are both useful, therefore both should continue to be supported.
Regards,
Erik
On Friday 22 October 2004 07:53, Erik Moeller wrote:
proposes an alternative UI modeled somewhat after Everything2. But the two buttons do different things, which are both useful, therefore both should continue to be supported.
I propose to get rid of Go and implement this behaviour: 1. User types and clicks Search (the only button) 2. Go's code is executed. If it has a result, it brings the article together with a link at the top "Show more relevant search results...". 3. If Go's code does not find a result, Search code is executed.
A related issue (apologies if this is also mentioned elsewhere already; bug 655 is sort of related) is that we have an "advanced search" feature, but no "advanced search" link to access it with. That is, if you get a successful results page, you can modify the tick-boxes for "search in these namespaces" and "show redirects"; but this is only available *after* you have already performed a search with [your] default options. Clicking "Go" or "Search" with no query doesn't lead to the form either, it just gives an error telling you to "try another query": http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
So perhaps, if we're going to redesign that little bit of UI, we should include a link labelled "advanced search" or somesuch, which returns a blank form with these options available. And error messages could be prepended to this form as well.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:08:30 +0300, NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 07:53, Erik Moeller wrote:
proposes an alternative UI modeled somewhat after Everything2. But the two buttons do different things, which are both useful, therefore both should continue to be supported.
I propose to get rid of Go and implement this behaviour:
- User types and clicks Search (the only button)
- Go's code is executed. If it has a result, it brings the article together
with a link at the top "Show more relevant search results...". 3. If Go's code does not find a result, Search code is executed
I propose a layout like this (use a proportional font here):
Search +---------------+ ____ | | (_Go_) +---------------+
Advanced_search ---------------
* Clicking Go after filling in the text box works as before. * Clicking Go without filling in the box produces a JavaScript message: "Please enter a search query before clicking Go." (Don't use the current message, which unduly emphasizes the "error" aspect of it.) * Clicking on the "Advanced search" <u>link</u> will take you to the a advanced search feature (where you can modify the tick-boxes and so forth).
Yes, granted, if you want to do an advanced search it's one more click than before, but it's A LOT less ambiguous -- see [[KISS principle]].
On 22 Oct 2004, at 14:44, Rowan Collins wrote:
A related issue (apologies if this is also mentioned elsewhere already; bug 655 is sort of related) is that we have an "advanced search" feature, but no "advanced search" link to access it with. That is, if you get a successful results page, you can modify the tick-boxes for "search in these namespaces" and "show redirects"; but this is only available *after* you have already performed a search with [your] default options. Clicking "Go" or "Search" with no query doesn't lead to the form either, it just gives an error telling you to "try another query": http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
So perhaps, if we're going to redesign that little bit of UI, we should include a link labelled "advanced search" or somesuch, which returns a blank form with these options available. And error messages could be prepended to this form as well.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:08:30 +0300, NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 07:53, Erik Moeller wrote:
proposes an alternative UI modeled somewhat after Everything2. But the two buttons do different things, which are both useful, therefore both should continue to be supported.
I propose to get rid of Go and implement this behaviour:
- User types and clicks Search (the only button)
- Go's code is executed. If it has a result, it brings the article
together with a link at the top "Show more relevant search results...". 3. If Go's code does not find a result, Search code is executed
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On Friday 22 October 2004 16:16, Jens Ropers wrote:
- Clicking Go without filling in the box produces a JavaScript message:
"Please enter a search query before clicking Go."
Why not implement this: 1. User types nothing 2. User clicks Go 3. Random page code is executed
--- NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
Why not implement this:
- User types nothing
- User clicks Go
- Random page code is executed
That's unintuitive, IMO. Besides, we already have a "Random page" link in the toolbar.
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I propose to change the buttons from "Go", "Search" to "Go, "Chess" ;-)
--- Magnus Manske magnus.manske@web.de wrote:
I propose to change the buttons from "Go", "Search" to "Go, "Chess" ;-)
Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at -e line 1. ;-)
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On Friday 22 October 2004 18:43, David Iberri wrote:
That's unintuitive, IMO. Besides, we already have a "Random page" link in the toolbar.
You could remove that link and make space for something else.
--- NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 18:43, David Iberri wrote:
That's unintuitive, IMO. Besides, we already have a "Random page" link in the toolbar.
You could remove that link and make space for something else.
Sure, but that doesn't make things any more clear for the casual user. The aptly-titled "Random page" link is very intuitive. But it's not at all obvious to a newbie that they can fetch a random page by clicking "Go".
--- Jens Ropers ropers@ropersonline.com wrote:
Search +---------------+ ____ | | (_Go_) +---------------+
Advanced_search
- Clicking Go after filling in the text box works as before.
- Clicking Go without filling in the box produces a JavaScript message:
"Please enter a search query before clicking Go." (Don't use the current message, which unduly emphasizes the "error" aspect of it.)
- Clicking on the "Advanced search" <u>link</u> will take you to the a
advanced search feature (where you can modify the tick-boxes and so forth).
I like this approach. I agree that the current message (i.e. "Badly formed search query") should be replaced with something better, and a bit more user-friendly.
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On Friday 22 October 2004 20:13, David Iberri wrote:
Sure, but that doesn't make things any more clear for the casual user. The aptly-titled "Random page" link is very intuitive. But it's not at all obvious to a newbie that they can fetch a random page by clicking "Go".
I do recognise that it may be a bit unintuitive to the newbie, but some text could be added under the search box to explain this feature.
Sorry for butting in, but as a user, I personally think that unnecessarily complicates the user interface - "random page" is only two words. We'd need at least a full sentence to explain this unintuitive behaviour. Just my 2 cents.
John Lee ([[en:User:Johnleemk]])
NSK wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 20:13, David Iberri wrote:
Sure, but that doesn't make things any more clear for the casual user. The aptly-titled "Random page" link is very intuitive. But it's not at all obvious to a newbie that they can fetch a random page by clicking "Go".
I do recognise that it may be a bit unintuitive to the newbie, but some text could be added under the search box to explain this feature.
On Friday 22 October 2004 20:31, John Lee wrote:
Sorry for butting in, but as a user, I personally think that
Hey, personally I don't think that you need to say "Sorry for ..." etc before telling us your opinion, no matter whether you agree or disagree with others. I believe more participation is good and more diversity in opinions is great.
That said, I think that it would be better to have this setup:
1. A Search Box with the following elements in it: 2. A text input box 3. A "Go" button after the text input box which first runs the "Go" code and then the "Search" code, and includes a link "View more relevant search results" somewhere where the full search results can be viewed. 4. An "Advanced Search" link under the text input box 5. A "Random page" link under the link above. 6. The "Random page" link will be removed from the navigation box to make room for something else or to remove excessive cluttering
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:50:25 +0300, NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
- A Search Box with the following elements in it:
...
- A "Random page" link under the link above.
- The "Random page" link will be removed from the navigation box to make room
for something else or to remove excessive cluttering
I don't see how "Random page" can really be classed as "search"; whereas the link's current location, under the heading "navigation", seems to make perfect sense to me; so why move it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
On Friday 22 October 2004 20:52, Rowan Collins wrote:
I don't see how "Random page" can really be classed as "search";
The idea is that the navigation box should contain the most important/useful links only.
Try putting in some additional links in navigation and you will notice it's very cluttered.
There should never be too many links in a single box.
I think you could also have a box "secondary actions" with the "random page", "help", "community portal", and such kind of links there, under the "navigation" box.
--- NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
- A "Random page" link under the link above.
- The "Random page" link will be removed from the navigation box to make room
for something else or to remove excessive cluttering
There's no need to couple the "random page" and "search" features as they're scarcely related. Also, I don't consider the navigation box to be "excessively cluttered" as you say so I don't think it should be removed.
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NSK wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 07:53, Erik Moeller wrote:
proposes an alternative UI modeled somewhat after Everything2. But the two buttons do different things, which are both useful, therefore both should continue to be supported.
I propose to get rid of Go and implement this behaviour:
- User types and clicks Search (the only button)
- Go's code is executed. If it has a result, it brings the article together
with a link at the top "Show more relevant search results...". 3. If Go's code does not find a result, Search code is executed.
No. "Search" is used for more than just finding one article. If I search for a term it can be just as much to see which articles make reference to the term so that I can decide whether I should create a link from there. "Go" is used when you want to see that particular article. If there must be only one let it be "Search" which should continue to function as it always has.
Ec
Am Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:55:00 +0300 hat NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org geschrieben:
Is the Go button really necessary?
Go should actually renamed to "Go to" if you ask me. It makes it's meaning a lot clearer. So I would rather abandon "Search" then "Go".
--tic
I think it is highly confusing and cluttering. I would prefer to have just Search. I have seen several MW newbies trying to figure out whether they should click Go or Search.
If you think it should stay, it's label must change to something more intuitive. But the best thing would be to get rid of it in 1.3.8 or 1.4.
On Friday 22 October 2004 04:55, NSK wrote:
Is the Go button really necessary?
I think it is highly confusing and cluttering. I would prefer to have just Search. I have seen several MW newbies trying to figure out whether they should click Go or Search.
If you think it should stay, it's label must change to something more intuitive. But the best thing would be to get rid of it in 1.3.8 or 1.4.
Is "I'm feeling lucky" trademarked?
On Saturday 23 October 2004 13:48, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
Is "I'm feeling lucky" trademarked?
Yes this is a trademark of Google.
"(2003-10-24) -- Google, the Internet search company which plans to conduct its initial public offering (IPO) of stock as an online auction, says it will use its trademark 'I'm Feeling Lucky' button to lure investors who love Internet stocks." - http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001291.html
However, it was an unregistered trademark as of August 16, 2004 according to this site http://www.searchenginelowdown.com/2004/08/will-google-lose-right-to-gmail-n... which states that "Our unregistered trademarks include: AdSense, AdWords, Blogger, Froogle, Gmail, I'm Feeling Lucky and PageRank."
Most catchy phrases are trademarked by someone. Even "What's in a name?" is trademarked by a games company.
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