Mass changes to bugs by Jan Kucera (Kozuch)

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John

30 Dec 2011 30 Dec '11

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Huib Laurens

30 Dec 30 Dec

5:06 p.m.

+1 my mailbox just got spammed by him... 2011/12/30, John <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com>om>:

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a user Jan Kucera (Kozuch) (with email of garbage5(a)seznam.cz) has been mass changing the priority of bugs based on a very crude vote count. this is very disruptive and counter productive issue. I would ask that one of our devs mass revert this please. Johh _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Chad

5:23 p.m.

Has anyone told him we don't use voting? -Chad On Dec 30, 2011 11:04 AM, "John" <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Amir E. Aharoni

5:38 p.m.

As long as it's there, people will think that we do. This mass change should have been discussed somewhere first, but then i never understood why voting is bad. Mozilla haven't disabled it in their Bugzilla and Google use it in Google code (as stars), although i don't whether either of them actually prioritize bugs according to it. 2011/12/30 Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Has anyone told him we don't use voting? -Chad On Dec 30, 2011 11:04 AM, "John" <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Jeremy Baron

5:42 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:38, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

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I thought stars were the only way to subscribe to future updates? and hence they're not necessarily votes. -Jeremy

Chad

5:48 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:38, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

I thought stars were the only way to subscribe to future updates? and hence they're not necessarily votes.

CC list? But yes, we've just never used the voting--it's mainly just there as a "favorites" type list. -Chad

John Du Hart

7:04 p.m.

Revert it. Just like enwiki, you can't do stuff like this without discussion. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:38, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

I thought stars were the only way to subscribe to future updates? and hence they're not necessarily votes.

CC list? But yes, we've just never used the voting--it's mainly just there as a "favorites" type list. -Chad _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

-- John

John Du Hart

7:10 p.m.

Left him a note about this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kozuch#Discussion_about_your_action… On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John Du Hart <compwhizii(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Revert it. Just like enwiki, you can't do stuff like this without discussion. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:38, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

I thought stars were the only way to subscribe to future updates? and hence they're not necessarily votes.

-- John

Daniel Friesen

8:33 p.m.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:04:32 -0800, John <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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And here I thought this was just another run of bugspam vandalism to the tracker. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

Thehelpfulone Wikipedia

9:03 p.m.

If you vote for a bug then you are automatically added to the CC list and you it's a nice way to keep track of the bugs you are interested in using 'My Votes'. However, at first when I saw the votes system, I too believed that more votes = more quickly done. As this is not the case, removing votes might be a good way forward. Thehelpfulone On 30 Dec 2011, at 19:33, "Daniel Friesen" <lists(a)nadir-seen-fire.com> wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:04:32 -0800, John <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> wrote:

And here I thought this was just another run of bugspam vandalism to the tracker. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Helder

9:51 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 18:03, Thehelpfulone Wikipedia <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Brandon Harris

9:58 p.m.

Why don't we just change the text "vote" to "follow" or "watch"? On 12/30/11 12:51 PM, Helder wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 18:03, Thehelpfulone Wikipedia <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, when we vote for a bug we are not added to its CC list (which would cause an email to be sent to everyone already on that list), but we get followup messages anyway. This way, the votes can also be used for silently watching some bugs without bothering others with emails which just say we were added to the CC list... _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Helder

31 Dec 31 Dec

1:43 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 18:58, Brandon Harris <bharris(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Why don't we just change the text "vote" to "follow" or "watch"?

Chad

30 Dec 30 Dec

10:14 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Helder <helder.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Did you know you can disable notifications for cc list changes? In fact, we should probably make that the default. -Chad

Daniel Friesen

11:02 p.m.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:14:08 -0800, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Helder <helder.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Did you know you can disable notifications for cc list changes? In fact, we should probably make that the default. -Chad

Long as we still get one when our friendly local vandal decides to remove us from the Cc list so we can add ourselves back. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

Helder

31 Dec 31 Dec

1:41 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 20:02, Daniel Friesen <lists(a)nadir-seen-fire.com> wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:14:08 -0800, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Helder <helder.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Actually, when we vote for a bug we are not added to its CC list >> (which would cause an email to be sent to everyone already on that >> list), but we get followup messages anyway. This way, the votes can >> also be used for silently watching some bugs without bothering others >> with emails which just say we were added to the CC list... >> > > Did you know you can disable notifications for cc list changes? > In fact, we should probably make that the default. > > -Chad

No, I didn't. Thanks for the information.

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Long as we still get one when our friendly local vandal decides to remove us from the Cc list so we can add ourselves back. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

Yes, that would be good.

Maciej Jaros

12:50 p.m.

Thehelpfulone Wikipedia (2011-12-30 21:03):

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For me its simple: If voting is note used then it should be removed. If it stays it should be used. I too was confused that it is used as it is available. Mozilla says you shouldn't comment on bugs only to say "please fix it" - you should vote instead. In my work we keep truck of how many clients wants the bug to get fixed (you might say - vote for a bug). The more people vote for a bug the more severe the bug is then you might think at first. The more severe the bug is the more probable it is to be pushed into the next version. And priority is more or less - how fast this should be done when working on a new version (which is mostly a developer preference). Regards, Nux.

K. Peachey

12:55 p.m.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Maciej Jaros <egil(a)wp.pl> wrote:

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For me its simple: If voting is note used then it should be removed. If it stays it should be used. I too was confused that it is used as it is available.

We did remove it once (Although accidently during a update, when it was removed from Bz core and became a default disabled extension) and people spent the next few days complaining about it, Even when the CC option was pointed out, as well as a several other options. That is why the Vote extension got re-enabled. We could probably fork the extension and just rename the instances of "Vote" to "Bookmark" or something similar and not have it output the "vote" numbers.

Sumana Harihareswara

5 Jan 5 Jan

5:17 p.m.

On 12/31/2011 06:55 AM, K. Peachey wrote:

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We could probably fork the extension and just rename the instances of "Vote" to "Bookmark" or something similar and not have it output the "vote" numbers.

Seconding this. "Vote" has a clear implication and if it's wrong then we should switch the wording. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation

mhershberger＠wikimedia.org

11:37 p.m.

Sumana Harihareswara <sumanah(a)wikimedia.org> writes:

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We could probably fork the extension and just rename the instances of "Vote" to "Bookmark" or something similar and not have it output the "vote" numbers.

Seconding this. "Vote" has a clear implication and if it's wrong then we should switch the wording.

I've already talked to Ops about deploying the voting functionality with the wording changed. It is useful to have it there so we can gauge interest, but, yes, "vote" isn't the right word for us. Mark.

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