Hello,
if you look at for example http://hy.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page you get a "Wiki does not exist" page, which has a list of 'Active Wikipedias'. Obviously this list is not generated through the default language names like they are provided by the "{{#language:}}" syntax. Cause the language name of the Low Saxon Wikipedia (nds) is miswritten "Platdüütsch" instead of "Plattdüütsch". Would be nice if somebody could correct the standard "Wiki does not exist" template and use the language names used on the active Wikimedia projects too. There are other wrong names too.
Thanks Marcus Buck
Hoi, First of all the hy.wikiPEDIA exists while the wiki that does not exist is the WikiNEWS. This means that the same "Wiki does not exist" message is used for all projects. In my opinion this is more grievous error in all this.
When you state that the string for the nds language is wrong. I would be wondering what orthography of the nds language says so and also if this spelling is not as correct.
Thanks, GerardM
On 9/21/07, Marcus Buck wiki@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Hello,
if you look at for example http://hy.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page you get a "Wiki does not exist" page, which has a list of 'Active Wikipedias'. Obviously this list is not generated through the default language names like they are provided by the "{{#language:}}" syntax. Cause the language name of the Low Saxon Wikipedia (nds) is miswritten "Platdüütsch" instead of "Plattdüütsch". Would be nice if somebody could correct the standard "Wiki does not exist" template and use the language names used on the active Wikimedia projects too. There are other wrong names too.
Thanks Marcus Buck
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
GerardM schrieb:
Hoi, First of all the hy.wikiPEDIA exists while the wiki that does not exist is the WikiNEWS. This means that the same "Wiki does not exist" message is used for all projects. In my opinion this is more grievous error in all this.
When you state that the string for the nds language is wrong. I would be wondering what orthography of the nds language says so and also if this spelling is not as correct.
Thanks, GerardM
You are of course right, refering to Wikipedia on a Wikinews "Wiki does not exist" page is not very useful. That should be changed too!
Your second point: of course there is no "wrong" as in "1 + 1 = 3 is wrong". Low Saxon has no commonly accepted orthography. But of course spelling for English, Dutch or German has no "wrong" and "right" too. Only "following the commonly accepted convention" and "not following the commonly accepted convention". Platdüütsch is not wrong, but it does not follow the most widely accepted spelling convention. Google for it: 12,1 Milllion for Plattdüütsch to 825 for Platdüütsch. I thinks that's obvious.
I guess, you were suspecting, there is a controversy behind it. No, really, it's not controversal, it's really nothing than a spelling slip.
Marcus Buck
You are of course right, refering to Wikipedia on a Wikinews "Wiki does not exist" page is not very useful. That should be changed too!
Your second point: of course there is no "wrong" as in "1 + 1 = 3 is wrong". Low Saxon has no commonly accepted orthography. But of course spelling for English, Dutch or German has no "wrong" and "right" too. Only "following the commonly accepted convention" and "not following the commonly accepted convention". Platdüütsch is not wrong, but it does not follow the most widely accepted spelling convention. Google for it: 12,1 Milllion for Plattdüütsch to 825 for Platdüütsch. I thinks that's obvious.
I guess, you were suspecting, there is a controversy behind it. No, really, it's not controversal, it's really nothing than a spelling slip.
There are no right and wrong spellings for English, certainly, but I believe German does have official spellings. I've no idea about Dutch. Not that that changes anything - a spelling mistake is a spelling mistake.
2007/9/21, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com:
There are no right and wrong spellings for English, certainly, but I believe German does have official spellings. I've no idea about Dutch. Not that that changes anything - a spelling mistake is a spelling mistake.
Dutch has an official spelling, it is established by the [[Dutch Language Union]].
Thomas Dalton wrote:
There are no right and wrong spellings for English, certainly,
Try telling that to a spell checker!
There are several right and wrong spellings in English - they are just country dependent. Correct spelling in Britain is not the same as in America. Canada uses some US and some UK spellings, just to make things complicated (and the so-called Canadian spell checker from Mozilla is just a relabelled UK spell checker that is just plain wrong for some words. No doubt a bright idea from some yank or brit who didn't know there was a difference.)
Mike
On 21/09/2007, Michael Daly michaeldaly@kayakwiki.org wrote:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
There are no right and wrong spellings for English, certainly,
Try telling that to a spell checker!
There are several right and wrong spellings in English - they are just country dependent. Correct spelling in Britain is not the same as in America. Canada uses some US and some UK spellings, just to make things complicated (and the so-called Canadian spell checker from Mozilla is just a relabelled UK spell checker that is just plain wrong for some words. No doubt a bright idea from some yank or brit who didn't know there was a difference.)
That's not actually the point I was making. There is not *official* correct spelling for English. Sure, there are plenty of dictionaries, but none of them (at least not in Britain) are state sponsored as official. English spellings are determined by what people use, nothing more, nothing less. In some (probably many) other languages, spellings are determined by what a certain committee, or academy or whatever decides is a good spelling.
Hoi, There are big issues with orthographies in the nds language. The adoption of a German oriented orthography has effectively split the nds language in two. The notion that might is right is explained by using Google :)
Having said that I am in favour of having the same spelling for a language everywhere in the WMF. Thanks, GerardM
On 9/21/07, Marcus Buck wiki@marcusbuck.org wrote:
GerardM schrieb:
Hoi, First of all the hy.wikiPEDIA exists while the wiki that does not exist
is
the WikiNEWS. This means that the same "Wiki does not exist" message is
used
for all projects. In my opinion this is more grievous error in all this.
When you state that the string for the nds language is wrong. I would be wondering what orthography of the nds language says so and also if this spelling is not as correct.
Thanks, GerardM
You are of course right, refering to Wikipedia on a Wikinews "Wiki does not exist" page is not very useful. That should be changed too!
Your second point: of course there is no "wrong" as in "1 + 1 = 3 is wrong". Low Saxon has no commonly accepted orthography. But of course spelling for English, Dutch or German has no "wrong" and "right" too. Only "following the commonly accepted convention" and "not following the commonly accepted convention". Platdüütsch is not wrong, but it does not follow the most widely accepted spelling convention. Google for it: 12,1 Milllion for Plattdüütsch to 825 for Platdüütsch. I thinks that's obvious.
I guess, you were suspecting, there is a controversy behind it. No, really, it's not controversal, it's really nothing than a spelling slip.
Marcus Buck
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
There is currently a bug request to make the "Wiki does not exist" page an easily editable/update-able page on Meta, like www.wikipedia.org is. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11125
On 9/21/07, Marcus Buck wiki@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Hello,
if you look at for example http://hy.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page you get a "Wiki does not exist" page, which has a list of 'Active Wikipedias'. Obviously this list is not generated through the default language names like they are provided by the "{{#language:}}" syntax. Cause the language name of the Low Saxon Wikipedia (nds) is miswritten "Platdüütsch" instead of "Plattdüütsch". Would be nice if somebody could correct the standard "Wiki does not exist" template and use the language names used on the active Wikimedia projects too. There are other wrong names too.
Thanks Marcus Buck
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