On 02/20/2013 12:04 PM, Luke Welling WMF wrote: What teams deploy every second day? I couldn't agree more. It's not that I feel a need of deploying something every single day, I just want the whole process to be easier and less scary, so that it doesn't disrupt everyone's work for half a day. Also, it shouldn't be a big deal to push a quick fix in between deployments. -- Juliusz

On 02/20/2013 02:04 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: Wikimedia is already doing deployments every other week. On top of that, a wiki that gets a lot of use and is used by the number of core committers (translatewiki.net) does deployments on a daily (or more?) basis. At this point, I don't think they get into a huddle to monitor deployments (though I could certainly be wrong). So, the software gets a lot of use that way. I think there is a lot of ground to cover before we get more continuous deployments, but what were you thinking we needed? -- http://hexmode.com/ There is no path to peace. Peace is the path. -- Mahatma Gandhi, "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Juliusz Gonera <jgonera(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: I don't know if this is true of other teams (I assume it's not), but this has been how the mobile team has been doing deployments. Some reasons for this are that we currently do not have automated tests, we need myriad device testing coverage, unexpected things have a tendency to go wrong only in production, the codebase is evolving very rapidly (even our weekly deployments can be rather larger and hairy), etc. We don't necessarily need all hands on deck for deployments, but it makes discovering regressions and debugging things that go sideways only in production a lot faster. Once we have MobileFrontend working properly (in a production-like manner) on betalabs, we'll be a big step closer to this - particularly once betalabs is continuously updating to head of master for MobileFrontend. I believe a majority of the problems we find during MobileFrontend deployments would get caught during QA/testing in this environment. I know the QA team has been talking about coordinating automated testing for mobile, but I'm not sure what the current status is - hopefully sooner rather than later ;) Once these two pieces are in place, MobileFrontend deployments should be much less painful and require less focus from the entire team, and we'll be a stone's throw from the glorious future of continuous deployment :D -- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Željko Filipin <zfilipin(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: Thanks Željko! This is so rad. We are very close :) -- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687