Surely this could be scripted. -Chad On Feb 27, 2012 6:07 PM, "Alexander Klauer" <Graf.Zahl(a)gmx.net> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32(a)gmail.com> wrote: Does they all need new accounts created? perhaps this might be a chance to see who actually still want/needs them?

Could mimic what we did here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories#Step_3:_Request_space_f… -greg aka varnent On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Alexander Klauer wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote: I'm not sure we need ConfirmAccount, unless it's to combat spam. I don't see any reason we can't let anyone register. It may be beneficial to require some kind of sanity-check group for access to labs, but push access to gerrit should be open to anyone who wants an account. - Ryan

On 02/28/2012 01:11 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: I agree 100% that push access to gerrit should be open to anyone who wants an account. I also personally think that we should mass-issue Gerrit accounts to all existing SVN committers. My hunch is that the possible clutter issue is far outweighed by our interest in ensuring that everyone with any interest in Wikimedia development, past or present, experiences few barriers to continued contribution. But if clutter is a serious issue for some reason, I'd like to hear about it. OK, so my understanding going forward is: * Right now, everyone listed at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/System_administrators as having shell access can make a Gerrit/Labsconsole account, and should say yes to everyone who asks, except for known malicious persons. There is no other publicly available list that's better, so this is the list of people newbies can ping to ask for accounts. * Instead of relying on pinging individuals, it would be nice if there were a queue/requests page, but there is none right now. * We have to decide whether to just create Gerrit accounts for all existing SVN committers. Chad has the committer USERINFO necessary to create Gerrit accounts for nearly all our SVN committers, but not all. * Chad and Ryan are interested in improving the signup process so that anyone can register for an account without having to ask a gatekeeper, but there's no timeline for this. * After the switch, if anyone submits a patch in Bugzilla, we should encourage them to get a Gerrit account and just push there in the future. If I'm wrong on any of these, tell me. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation

On 02/28/2012 02:47 PM, Platonides wrote: That is Rusty Burchfield. I believe he was working on this a little bit at the SF hackathon. He said in an email to me last week (he said it was ok to forward): feel free. He's referring to "[Wikitech-l] Patch backlog automation" from November, I believe: Mark says: Given that we currently have about 130 patches awaiting review on MediaWiki core, and about 60 for extensions that WMF deploys (some going back years), I think it's going to make a big difference to surface those and put them into the same dashboard that reviewers use to see all the pending pull requests. So if Rusty or another contributor has time to work on this, I think it would have a dramatic effect on our patch backlog. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation

On 28 February 2012 20:24, Sumana Harihareswara <sumanah(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: I don't think that list is up to date. I also think that not everyone who has access knows how to do that or want to do that. -Niklas -- Niklas Laxström

I originally wrote: I've updated https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access#Access_FAQ with the new list of names, but everything else in my summary is still accurate. Still true. I will make one next week. I've decided that we shall just create Gerrit accounts for all the SVN committers who already have email addresses listed in their Subversion USERINFO. Ryan can script that for me and will do that next week. Then we'll mention that on wikitech-l and via other communications channels, and they can go to https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset to get a password and login. Even if it's only half of the committers, that's still 200 accounts we don't have to create. This is still true. This is still our plan. Also: There's no autolinking from Gerrit to Bugzilla yet, but we'll work on it (bug 35144). For now, when referring to a Git diff, please paste changeset "Change ID"s, or the changeset number in the Gerrit changeset URL, into the BZ comment. Both are globally unique. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Petr Bena <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Labs doesn't fix "I'm getting a strange error on the cluster" that requires digging into log files. Or "Oh crap, this is broken, can you please deploy Foo fix really quick?" So yes, having such a list *does* matter. If it's missing names, add them, don't nuke the page. -Chad

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Petr Bena <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, but at least you have an idea of who to look for (hence the IRC nicks). This is a solution in search of a problem. -Chad

On 29 February 2012 14:27, Petr Bena <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=System_administrators&acti… The main purpose of that page is as an on-wiki reference to wiki user accounts which might be encountered making sysadmin actions, as explained in the first section of that page. "Don't revert sysadmin actions" is effectively a global policy, and the page serves an important function in describing that policy. As with all wiki pages on meta, it is intended mainly for WMF wiki-users, not developers (otherwise it would belong on mw.org). --HM

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr> wrote: +v is fine. At the risk of sounding pedantic, I'll point out the freenode policy frowns on leaving people +o when it's not needed (although I find the policy kind of silly). -Chad

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote: Guideline, _not_ policy. See http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml . I have to say that in my experience, having people with +v and/or +o (I prefer +o, because in the case of active ops, they can remove trolls etc. faster since they don't need to do a /cs op first) is more helpful than harmful. Admittedly, there's the possibility that new users might, for example, PM opped or voiced people with their (general) questions instead of asking the questions in public, but I think we do a good job at encouraging open, public, logged discussion. Still, +1 for having opped people on #mediawiki. That being said, we probably should take this into a separate thread instead of hijacking this... Thanks and regards, -- Jack Phoenix MediaWiki developer