On Saturday 11 January 2003 04:00 am, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
No. Its rules must be obeyed only for words of that language. For words from other languages, like names of people, places etc. rules of source language must be obeyed.
And who are you to dictate what the naming conventions on the English Wikipedia should be?
When words from other languages are used in any language that language tends to modify those words so that they are pronounceable and usable by people who speak that language. In English this is called Anglicisation and in Polish it is called Polonisation (which has already been pointed out to you).
All languages pick up and modify words from other languages. When these languages do this the words are no longer foreign, but they are now part of a new language. Words are merely used to name things and different languages have different words for things.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 04:22:21PM -0800, Daniel Mayer wrote:
On Saturday 11 January 2003 04:00 am, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
No. Its rules must be obeyed only for words of that language. For words from other languages, like names of people, places etc. rules of source language must be obeyed.
When words from other languages are used in any language that language tends to modify those words so that they are pronounceable and usable by people who speak that language. In English this is called Anglicisation and in Polish it is called Polonisation (which has already been pointed out to you).
All languages pick up and modify words from other languages. When these languages do this the words are no longer foreign, but they are now part of a new language. Words are merely used to name things and different languages have different words for things.
"Wrocl/aw" or "Wal/e,sa" don't suddenly become "English" words because you use them it English sentence. They're still Polish words and should use correct Polish spelling. The same applies to all other languages.
Something has gone strange with the way the Wikipedia pages are rendered. I keep a standard skin with a fixed right QuickBar (since floating right is not available). For some reason the software to-day began putting the QuickBar on the left, overlapping the main frame of the page. Links from the top part of the main frame are unavailable, including my own user preferences.
Eclecticology
On sab, 2003-01-18 at 22:22, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Something has gone strange with the way the Wikipedia pages are rendered. I keep a standard skin with a fixed right QuickBar (since floating right is not available). For some reason the software to-day began putting the QuickBar on the left, overlapping the main frame of the page. Links from the top part of the main frame are unavailable, including my own user preferences.
The code looks okay to me, and runs great in Mozilla/Phoenix 0.5, IE 6.0, and Konqueror 3.0.3.
What version of which browser are you using? That should help narrow it down. (Please don't say Netscape 4.x... I fear it greatly! ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
On sab, 2003-01-18 at 22:22, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Something has gone strange with the way the Wikipedia pages are rendered. I keep a standard skin with a fixed right QuickBar (since floating right is not available). For some reason the software to-day began putting the QuickBar on the left, overlapping the main frame of the page. Links from the top part of the main frame are unavailable, including my own user preferences.
The code looks okay to me, and runs great in Mozilla/Phoenix 0.5, IE 6.0, and Konqueror 3.0.3.
What version of which browser are you using? That should help narrow it down. (Please don't say Netscape 4.x... I fear it greatly! ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I'm using Netscape 6.2.2. I've found that I can access my preferences page by going to the "differences" page for any article. The problem seems to go away if I choose a left QuickBar in the preferences. Still I like having the right QuickBar because it's my own peculiar way of telling myself whether I'm in Wikipedia or Wiktionary at any particular moment.
BTW, is it worthwhile to go to Netscape 7
Eclecticology
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
On sab, 2003-01-18 at 22:22, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Something has gone strange with the way the Wikipedia pages are rendered. I keep a standard skin with a fixed right QuickBar (since floating right is not available). For some reason the software to-day began putting the QuickBar on the left, overlapping the main frame of the page. Links from the top part of the main frame are unavailable, including my own user preferences.
The code looks okay to me, and runs great in Mozilla/Phoenix 0.5, IE 6.0, and Konqueror 3.0.3.
What version of which browser are you using? That should help narrow it down. (Please don't say Netscape 4.x... I fear it greatly! ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I'm using Netscape 6.2.2. I've found that I can access my preferences page by going to the "differences" page for any article. The problem seems to go away if I choose a left QuickBar in the preferences. Still I like having the right QuickBar because it's my own peculiar way of telling myself whether I'm in Wikipedia or Wiktionary at any particular moment.
BTW, is it worthwhile to go to Netscape 7
Eclecticology
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I thought I had a temporary solution, but I guess not. It just looked that way. In fact even with the left QuickBar, the logo does not appear, and everything in the principal frame above the level of the lowest QuickBar item is frozen.
I do not get this problem at all in Meta or in Wiktionary or in the French Wikipedia. The problem may be with an "improvement" that was made in Wikipedia that was not made in the others. . Eclecticology
Eclecticology wrote:
I thought I had a temporary solution, but I guess not. It just looked that way. In fact even with the left QuickBar, the logo does not appear, and everything in the principal frame above the level of the lowest QuickBar item is frozen.
Frozen? I get frozen pages *all*the*time*. (This is with Netscape 6 on Unix.) Reloading the page almost always fixes that. The floating sidebar (which I'd otherwise prefer) tends to increase the frequency of frozen pages, so I don't use (although it's fine otherwise). I've never mentioned it before; now that I now how it works, it's nothing but the annoyance of clicking the reload button.
-- Toby
This is an instance of looking for one thing and finding another. I was seeking unsuccessfully for references to the authors quoted in the Websterbot entries in Wiktionary when I encountered an interesting display at http://www.hyperdictionary.com/webstats/ This seems to be with free software from http://www.analog.cx/ Has there ever been any consideration for doing this?
Eclecticology
On mar, 2003-01-28 at 10:57, Ray Saintonge wrote:
This is an instance of looking for one thing and finding another. I was seeking unsuccessfully for references to the authors quoted in the Websterbot entries in Wiktionary when I encountered an interesting display at http://www.hyperdictionary.com/webstats/ This seems to be with free software from http://www.analog.cx/ Has there ever been any consideration for doing this?
http://www.wikipedia.org/stats/
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
I guess our daily average is low this month due to the time that we were, for unknown reasons, dropped from google for a few days.
I don't know this for a fact, I'm just hazarding a guess. Any other ideas?
I think that if/when war breaks out (I'm guessing early February) we might see a flurry of activity.
--Jimbo
Jimmy Wales wrote:
I guess our daily average is low this month due to the time that we were, for unknown reasons, dropped from google for a few days.
I don't know this for a fact, I'm just hazarding a guess. Any other ideas?
I don't think that they have forgotten completely. In the search that I was doing with Google, I used the search term [Webster 1913] and the Wiktionary page [[Webster 1913:Accelerograph]] was 5th on a list of 260,000. -- but not really because the link was to the Special:Randompage. The very next item on the list was for the page on Using public domain works as a base.
Eclecticology
Has anyone managed to use WinCVS on Windows to work on the codebase?
I have successfully logged in and downloaded the code with it, but I am having problems committing changes.
I'm trying to follow instructions on this page: http://www.wincvs.org/ssh.html
but the ssh I downloaded from the ftp server that page gives does not have the same commands or support the same options.
Furthermore, I'm baffled by CVS. I already use it for another project, but I don't understand how WinCVS perceives passwords. The interface seems to present passwords & authenticaiton methods as global settings when they must clearly be project-specific.
I have so far managed to break my existing settings so I can't work on Unreal Wiki's script & I'm no closer to working on Wikipedia.
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