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Mark Holmquist

24 Aug 2013 24 Aug '13

1:02 a.m.

The day we have all equally hoped for and dreaded is come to pass: Etherpad Lite has now replaced Etherpad "Classic" in production, and the labs instance is on its way out. This is my as-wide-as-possible email warning to say that everything on the labs instance, as really should have been expected, is going to be gone soon. Not immediately - we intend to give you two weeks to get your important data off the instance and onto the new one at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ - but you should _absolutely_ be moving things as soon as possible. We will also keep a data dump around, in case anything else needs to get pulled out of the pads, but I would suggest not relying on that if you don't have to. And in the future: If a URL has "wmflabs.org" in it...don't put anything, ANYTHING, important there. The purpose of labs is to let us experiment with new technology without having to worry about reliability. Thanks so much for your help and understanding in the course of this migration. tl;dr: http://etherpad.wmflabs.org is going down in 2 weeks, get yer stuff off it. -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Multimedia Wikimedia Foundation mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:MHolmquist

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Tomasz Finc

24 Aug 24 Aug

1:09 a.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

CC'ing staff as we might have some non engineers using this service who should know. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Mark Holmquist <mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org> wrote:

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Marc A. Pelletier

1:30 a.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

On 08/23/2013 04:02 PM, Mark Holmquist wrote:

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And in the future: If a URL has "wmflabs.org" in it...don't put anything, ANYTHING, important there. The purpose of labs is to let us experiment with new technology without having to worry about reliability.

It'd be more correct to say that any specific labs project /may/ not have reliability as a concern. I'm pretty sure that tool labs users find their tools are important. :-) -- Marc

Federico Leva (Nemo)

1:55 a.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

Why is a DB merge not possible? Will the DB be kept somewhere, e.g. in the private data of downloads.wikimedia.org? Nemo

Ryan Lane

3:01 a.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

We don't consider etherpad archive-worthy. It's always been considered an ephemeral service and we're not willing to put any effort into to save data from it. If you care about data that you've personally hosted in it, please put it somewhere that's meant to be archived. We don't have backups for the service and never will. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Why is a DB merge not possible? Will the DB be kept somewhere, e.g. in the private data of downloads.wikimedia.org? Nemo ______________________________**_________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l<https://lists.…

Federico Leva (Nemo)

1:49 p.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

I already have been archiving "my" stuff from etherpad on wiki, of course, and I've never ever used etherpad.wmflabs.org because I knew everything in Labs can die any time, but this doesn't mean that I don't worry for what others will lose. Of course I understand it's not the _responsibility_ of Labs folks nor ops, but still it would be nice if someone managed to do something about it. If I was provided with a list of all existing pads I could do something myself; I only found few links from our wikis https://toolserver.org/~nemobis/tmp/ethlabs.txt Nemo

Ryan Lane

26 Aug 26 Aug

11:18 p.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Some people may have placed sensitive info in the pads, assuming some level of (misguided) privacy since the pages weren't indexed. We're not planning on doing dumps or even exposing an index. - Ryan

Ken Snider

11:56 p.m.

New subject: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Ryan Lane <rlane32(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Some people may have placed sensitive info in the pads, assuming some level of (misguided) privacy since the pages weren't indexed. We're not planning on doing dumps or even exposing an index.

To further clarify, we'll be keeping a dump in case there's some incredibly critical information that was inadvertently pasted into a pad despite the many and various warnings about the ephemeral nature of the service - but as Ryan said, we have no intention of indexing or even investigating this dump unless necessary, and would definitely not release it as a whole for the reasons mentioned. Thanks. --Ken.

Mark Holmquist

6 Sep 6 Sep

9:02 p.m.

New subject: [Engineering] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 01:02:13PM -0700, Mark Holmquist wrote:

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Good California morning, everyone! I will be taking down this instance at 18:00 UTC, or 11:00 PST, today. That's in TWO HOURS! If you have any remaining etherpad documents on the labs instance, now is most definitely the time to put them on our shiny new production server at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org. If you don't, they will no longer be accessible through the web interface - you'll need to contact myself or someone else on the project to pull them out of the database. It's been quite a ride, thanks for coming along, and thanks so much to the ops team for their hard work getting the new instance up. Ta, -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Multimedia Wikimedia Foundation mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:MHolmquist

Mark Holmquist

11:01 p.m.

New subject: etherpad.wmflabs.org is now DOWN. (was: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time)

On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 09:02:42AM -0700, Mark Holmquist wrote:

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Despite my hatred for timezones and daylight savings time, I've taken this instance down right on time. If you need anything from the database backup that I'm about to run, feel free to ping me. Also I've left a pretty barebones 404 message on the instance for the stubborn or careless - follow the link to the new instance, please :) -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Multimedia Wikimedia Foundation mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:MHolmquist

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Federico Leva (Nemo)
Ken Snider
Marc A. Pelletier
Mark Holmquist
Ryan Lane
Tomasz Finc