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Platonides

31 May 2007 31 May '07

1:27 a.m.

Following the links to wap.wikipedia.org on last wikizine, i have found some untranslated messages / translation errors. Where should this be reported? / Where are messages located?

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Brion Vibber

31 May 31 May

4:35 p.m.

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Following the links to wap.wikipedia.org on last wikizine, i have found some untranslated messages / translation errors. Where should this be reported? / Where are messages located?

There is no wap.wikipedia.org. - -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)

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Ivan Lanin

5:18 p.m.

On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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There is no wap.wikipedia.org.

It's: * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org -- Ivan Lanin

Brion Vibber

5:48 p.m.

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On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber wrote:

There is no wap.wikipedia.org.

It's: * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org

Ah, these. :) The de and en are very much experimental, and there's a pretty good chance we'll rip out the whole thing and start over at some point. But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry. I'll add a Bugzilla component for it... - -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)

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Magnus Manske

1 Jun 1 Jun

12:50 a.m.

On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.

Like this? :-) http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2 Magnus

Tim Starling

1:56 a.m.

Magnus Manske wrote:

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On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.

Like this? :-) http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2

"Error: Invalid wiki syntax" Perfectly normal and to be expected. The codebase has about as many bugs as lines of code. It's the working articles that should surprise you. -- Tim Starling

Nick Jenkins

7:52 a.m.

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There is no wap.wikipedia.org.

It's: * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org

Magnus Manske

10:13 a.m.

On 6/1/07, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Magnus Manske wrote:

On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.

Like this? :-) http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2

"Error: Invalid wiki syntax" Perfectly normal and to be expected. The codebase has about as many bugs as lines of code. It's the working articles that should surprise you.

Oh, you're writing a new parser for that? In that case, why not use my wiki2xml stuff for the next generation? It was working OK last time I checked (some month ago...) and usually breaks gracefully (dumping raw wikitext in worsed case). It also comes, among other generators, with plain-text output, which can be adapted to the output format of your choice. Finally, it was surprisingly fast (the online demo sucks, though, because it takes forever to get article and template texts on the toolserver). Magnus

GerardM

10:20 a.m.

Hoi, There is a language called Wapishana that has the code wap. Because of our use of ISO-codes to indicate languages the wap code is not available for this purpose. Thanks, GerardM On 6/1/07, Nick Jenkins <nickpj(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There is no wap.wikipedia.org.

It's: * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org

May be worth having a very quick placeholder page at http://wap.wikipedia.org/ that just says "Try one of these sites" + the 3 links. (Kind of like what http://www.wikipedia.org/ has, except it doesn't have to look any good at all - in fact, anyone using a mobile device would probably much prefer it to be exceedingly minimal). -- All the best, Nick. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Erik Moeller

10:23 a.m.

10500 speakers. I doubt they will request a Wikipedia anytime soon. On 6/1/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There is no wap.wikipedia.org.

It's: * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org

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GerardM

10:32 a.m.

Hoi, The number of speakers is very much beside the point. The point is that we have a way of using two and three character codes that represent languages. Any two or three character codes will be confused as a consequence. When you are talking about branding, you mention that some consistency is of important. This same logic applies here. It would be more sane to call it WikiWap Thanks, GerardM On 6/1/07, Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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10500 speakers. I doubt they will request a Wikipedia anytime soon. On 6/1/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, There is a language called Wapishana that has the code wap. Because of

our

use of ISO-codes to indicate languages the wap code is not available for this purpose. Thanks, GerardM On 6/1/07, Nick Jenkins <nickpj(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There is no wap.wikipedia.org. > > > > It's: > > * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org > > * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org > > * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org > > May be worth having a very quick placeholder page at > http://wap.wikipedia.org/ that just says "Try one of these sites" +

the 3

> links. (Kind of like what http://www.wikipedia.org/ has, except it

doesn't

> have to look any good at all - in fact, anyone using a mobile device

would

probably much prefer it to be exceedingly minimal). -- All the best, Nick. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Magnus Manske

11:53 a.m.

On 6/1/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Why? http://de.wikipedia.org http://de.wap.wikipedia.org and http://wap.wikipedia.org http://wap.wap.wikipedia.org Maybe I've been permanently damaged from writing too much code, but it seems perfectly OK to me, as long as we don't create http://wap.wikipedia.org as a "central wap site" instead of the Wapishana wikipedia. As other projects would probably want their own wap sites, the "central wap site" should probably be at http://wap.wikiMedia.org anyway. Magnus

GerardM

12:01 p.m.

Hoi, Magnus I totally agree, indeed wap.wikiMedia.org is perfectly fine. Thanks, GerardM On 6/1/07, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On 6/1/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, The number of speakers is very much beside the point. The point is that

have a way of using two and three character codes that represent

languages.

Any two or three character codes will be confused as a consequence.

Brion Vibber

5:16 p.m.

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On 6/1/07, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Magnus Manske wrote:

On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.

Like this? :-) http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2

"Error: Invalid wiki syntax" Perfectly normal and to be expected. The codebase has about as many bugs as lines of code. It's the working articles that should surprise you.

Oh, you're writing a new parser for that?

No, it's preexisting software which we will likely not continue to use in the long run. - -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)

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Tim Starling

5:22 p.m.

Magnus Manske wrote:

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On 6/1/07, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Magnus Manske wrote:

On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.

Like this? :-) http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2

"Error: Invalid wiki syntax" Perfectly normal and to be expected. The codebase has about as many bugs as lines of code. It's the working articles that should surprise you.

Writing a new parser is the wrong way to do it. Taking a TikiWiki parser and hacking it until it partially works in MediaWiki is even worse. It's rubbish code that has been dumped on me. I intend to get it working with plain text and most images, but no tables or templates. Then we can think about rewriting it. Maybe some sort of XSLT/PHP combination on the XHTML output is the way to go, or maybe subclassing the mainline parser would be better. But not an independent wikitext parser. -- Tim Starling

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Brion Vibber
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GerardM
Ivan Lanin
Magnus Manske
Nick Jenkins
Platonides
Tim Starling