This isn't really motivated by any enthusiasm
for php7. The issue is that
php5 has been dropped from stretch and updating the os is a blocker for a
bunch of other things. So we have to deal with the php7 issue to unblock a
bunch of other stuff which is not available on jessie.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Antoine Musso <hashar(a)free.fr> wrote:
On 28/03/2018 00:24, Daniel Zahn wrote:
good old tin.eqiad.wmnet was out of warranty and running jessie,
so as part of our hardware refresh goal it had to be replaced by
We now have deploy1001.eqiad.wmnet and it's running on stretch with
and we just switched deployment servers and
Mukunda is running the
deploy from it as we speak.
<+logmsgbot> !log twentyafterfour@deploy1001 Started scap: Deploy
1.31.0-wmf.27 to test wikis
Here are the related puppet changes that switched it and added stretch
Additionally mwscript needed a way to detect php5 or php7, for that
I am not sure it is a good idea to switch to PHP7 right now, specially
in production. I understand the incentive to get l10nupdate , scap php
-l etc faster, but really switching mwscript to php7 is too early.
There are a few reasons:
- Although CI runs PHP7 tests, the jobs run on Jessie with different
libraries than Stretch and we use community made Debian packages (
- The beta cluster is on HHVM, with the equivalent of tin using php5.6.
That is where we catch a lot of low hanging fruits.
- We all know our test coverage is far from the production reality.
- worker machines such as terbium/wasat do rely on mwscript for
production critical jobs. I guarantee they will magically explode the
minute they are switched to PHP7.
- application servers SHELL OUT to mwscript to get other wikis
configuration (see SiteConfiguration::getConfig() ).
- of course various PHP7 objects/functions would have a slightly
different behavior compared to PHP5/HHVM. That has hit us hard
previously when we switched.
I appreciate all the enthusiasms toward migration to PHP7. But can we
please do it professionally with stages and proper testing? I would
rather avoid having the whole site down and making the news front page.
Antoine "hashar" Musso
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