John, thanks for the email. I know Andre Klapper has put "figure out whether and how we want to deal with votes in Bugzilla" on the long-term list of things people ought to do. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Task_list#Tasks_that_require_… and look at the third top-level bullet: "Voting in Bugzilla: Some products support it, some don't." (That section has some ideas and links.) Andre will probably reply onlist once he gets in Monday morning Prague time, but I just figured I'd mention this quickly. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation

Hi, On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 11:06 +1000, John Vandenberg wrote: At least for the last nine months, it has not been enabled for VisualEditor. Don't know if it ever was enabled, but I assume not. Voting is not meant for "watching" a bug but for expressing support to handle a report, that's also why it's not called "Watching". :) The CC list is meant to get notifications on bug report changes. Note that the argument "without sending any bugmail" only applies when an individual has set its bugmail settings to "notify me when the CC list changes". Anybody can change her/his settings: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email I might not understand the question correctly, but does that imply that somebody is against creating new developers? The main reason for not enabling voting everywhere is that votes need to be considered a source of input in the planning process. If votes do not influence decisions, users just get fooled. My current feeling is that votes in bug reports do not influence any decisions, so I personally support switching them off entirely. This is a discussion that should likely happen in upstream Bugzilla development - I myself currently don't plan to put any resources into changing or relabeling Bugzilla's voting interface, as from my personal point of view it lacks way too many things to be useful. andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

On 29 July 2013 09:38, Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote: Change the wording to be useful. I like the way Launchpad does it: "this bug also affects me" (tickbox) Though I don't think that adds people to a CC list. - d.

On 07/29/2013 04:38 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Right now, it's the Bugzilla equivalent of the "close doors" button on most elevators. :-) -- Marc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_button would be a better reference. It also contains a correct description of the function (or lack thereof) of the 'door close' button. ;) --scott -- (http://cscott.net)

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: If we want to start using it I'm not inherently opposed to the idea. I just don't like the status quo where people think it means something when it (mostly) doesn't. -Chad

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: I personally filter for all open bugs that have wikidata-bugs(a)lists.wikimedia.org as assignee or cc and then sort by vote, yes. I have a saved search for that. I look at these roughly weekly to see if this still matches what I hear elsewhere in the community. I do not only take votes into account because of course a lot of people don't use bugzilla and even fewer vote there. In addition I've heard a few too many "I'm not voting because it doesn't change anything anyway" for my taste. Guess that's a matter of training of the past years -.- Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Technical Projects Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.