"Starting August 23, 2024, goo.gl links will start displaying an interstitial page for a percentage of existing links notifying your users that the link will no longer be supported after August 25th, 2025 prior to navigating to the original target page." In the next year the goo.gl links may cause problems, while as of August 25th, 2025 they cease working. Do you think this issue needs any central action? Of course, it may be handled locally, but not every wiki has bot owners for that. At least a global warning would be useful for communities.
My idea is to install an abuse filter that warns users to avoid new goo.gl links, and change the existing ones by bot.
Bináris
goo.gl has been on the global spam blacklist since 2009.[1] An exception for Google Maps links was added when Google started using the goo.gl domain for those links in 2012.[2]
The intended audience of the announcement on the Google Developer Blog[3], which made the news recently, are "developers using links built with the Google URL Shortener in the form https://goo.gl/*". I assume that links given out by Google itself are not affected. To this day Google Maps links are given out using the goo.gl domain and it seems highly unlikely that Google will turn those off any time soon. They are using a different scheme nowadays (maps.apps.goo.gl vs. goo.gl/maps/) but I think it is very likely that old-style links will continue to work for the foreseeable future as well.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=1... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2012-06#Goo.gl%... [3] https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-links-will-no-long...
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Am Mo., 22. Juli 2024 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
"Starting August 23, 2024, goo.gl links will start displaying an interstitial page for a percentage of existing links notifying your users that the link will no longer be supported after August 25th, 2025 prior to navigating to the original target page." In the next year the goo.gl links may cause problems, while as of August 25th, 2025 they cease working. Do you think this issue needs any central action? Of course, it may be handled locally, but not every wiki has bot owners for that. At least a global warning would be useful for communities.
My idea is to install an abuse filter that warns users to avoid new goo.gl links, and change the existing ones by bot.
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So in your opinion there is nothing to do and everything goes well? Really, for me it easy very easy not to do anything. :-)
Count Count countvoncount123456@gmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2024. júl. 23., K, 8:23):
The intended audience of the announcement on the Google Developer Blog[3], which made the news recently, are "developers using links built with the Google URL Shortener in the form https://goo.gl/*". I assume that links given out by Google itself are not affected. To this day Google Maps links are given out using the goo.gl domain and it seems highly unlikely that Google will turn those off any time soon. They are using a different scheme nowadays (maps.apps.goo.gl vs. goo.gl/maps/) but I think it is very likely that old-style links will continue to work for the foreseeable future as well.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=1... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2012-06#Goo.gl%... [3] https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-links-will-no-long...
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Am Mo., 22. Juli 2024 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
"Starting August 23, 2024, goo.gl links will start displaying an
interstitial page for a percentage of existing links notifying your users that the link will no longer be supported after August 25th, 2025 prior to navigating to the original target page."
In the next year the goo.gl links may cause problems, while as of
August 25th, 2025 they cease working.
Do you think this issue needs any central action? Of course, it may be
handled locally, but not every wiki has bot owners for that. At least a global warning would be useful for communities.
My idea is to install an abuse filter that warns users to avoid new
goo.gl links, and change the existing ones by bot.
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That is the gist of it, yes. If, contrary to expectations, Google sunsets goo.gl maps links we will still have time to revisit this.
Am Di., 23. Juli 2024 um 09:54 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
So in your opinion there is nothing to do and everything goes well? Really, for me it easy very easy not to do anything. :-)
Count Count countvoncount123456@gmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2024. júl. 23., K, 8:23):
The intended audience of the announcement on the Google Developer Blog[3], which made the news recently, are "developers using links built with the Google URL Shortener in the form https://goo.gl/*". I assume that links given out by Google itself are not affected. To this day Google Maps links are given out using the goo.gl domain and it seems highly unlikely that Google will turn those off any time soon. They are using a different scheme nowadays (maps.apps.goo.gl vs. goo.gl/maps/) but I think it is very likely that old-style links will continue to work for the foreseeable future as well.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=1... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2012-06#Goo.gl%... [3] https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-links-will-no-long...
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Am Mo., 22. Juli 2024 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
"Starting August 23, 2024, goo.gl links will start displaying an interstitial page for a percentage of existing links notifying your users that the link will no longer be supported after August 25th, 2025 prior to navigating to the original target page." In the next year the goo.gl links may cause problems, while as of August 25th, 2025 they cease working. Do you think this issue needs any central action? Of course, it may be handled locally, but not every wiki has bot owners for that. At least a global warning would be useful for communities.
My idea is to install an abuse filter that warns users to avoid new goo.gl links, and change the existing ones by bot.
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I was curious and I ran some queries* to size up this problem. For future reference:
select count(*) from wmf_raw.mediawiki_externallinks where snapshot='2024-06' and el_to_domain_index like '%gl.goo.%';
44011 was the total across all wikis. On just enwiki it's 28554. As far as how many of these are maps, I grouped by `el_to_path like '/maps%'` and on enwiki that looks like: 19820 NOT maps and 8734 maps. Spot checking I saw a bunch of /forms links. If the need arose, we could export this data for a bot to use or think of some maintenance script that did these kinds of things.
* this was run on our internal snapshot replica so as to not bother the production databases. The query in production would be similar.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:43 AM Count Count countvoncount123456@gmail.com wrote:
That is the gist of it, yes. If, contrary to expectations, Google sunsets goo.gl maps links we will still have time to revisit this.
Am Di., 23. Juli 2024 um 09:54 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
So in your opinion there is nothing to do and everything goes well?
Really, for me it easy very easy not to do anything. :-)
Count Count countvoncount123456@gmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2024.
júl. 23., K, 8:23):
The intended audience of the announcement on the Google Developer Blog[3], which made the news recently, are "developers using links built with the Google URL Shortener in the form https://goo.gl/*". I assume that links given out by Google itself are not affected. To this day Google Maps links are given out using the goo.gl domain and it seems highly unlikely that Google will turn those off any time soon. They are using a different scheme nowadays (maps.apps.goo.gl vs. goo.gl/maps/) but I think it is very likely that old-style links will continue to work for the foreseeable future as well.
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=1...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2012-06#Goo.gl%...
[3]
https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-links-will-no-long...
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Am Mo., 22. Juli 2024 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Bináris <wikiposta@gmail.com
:
"Starting August 23, 2024, goo.gl links will start displaying an
interstitial page for a percentage of existing links notifying your users that the link will no longer be supported after August 25th, 2025 prior to navigating to the original target page."
In the next year the goo.gl links may cause problems, while as of
August 25th, 2025 they cease working.
Do you think this issue needs any central action? Of course, it may
be handled locally, but not every wiki has bot owners for that. At least a global warning would be useful for communities.
My idea is to install an abuse filter that warns users to avoid new
goo.gl links, and change the existing ones by bot.
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Without maps and forms links there are 2347 links across all wikis. 2168 of those are on commons. 46 unique urls.
(No production databases were harmed. The queries took only a few seconds across the analytics replicas. I have a global link search prototype that I want to release on toolforge soon-ish.)
Am Di., 23. Juli 2024 um 15:18 Uhr schrieb Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org:
I was curious and I ran some queries* to size up this problem. For future reference:
select count(*) from wmf_raw.mediawiki_externallinks where snapshot='2024-06' and el_to_domain_index like '%gl.goo.%';
44011 was the total across all wikis. On just enwiki it's 28554. As far as how many of these are maps, I grouped by `el_to_path like '/maps%'` and on enwiki that looks like: 19820 NOT maps and 8734 maps. Spot checking I saw a bunch of /forms links. If the need arose, we could export this data for a bot to use or think of some maintenance script that did these kinds of things.
- this was run on our internal snapshot replica so as to not bother the production databases. The query in production would be similar.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:43 AM Count Count countvoncount123456@gmail.com wrote:
That is the gist of it, yes. If, contrary to expectations, Google sunsets goo.gl maps links we will still have time to revisit this.
Am Di., 23. Juli 2024 um 09:54 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
So in your opinion there is nothing to do and everything goes well? Really, for me it easy very easy not to do anything. :-)
Count Count countvoncount123456@gmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2024. júl. 23., K, 8:23):
The intended audience of the announcement on the Google Developer Blog[3], which made the news recently, are "developers using links built with the Google URL Shortener in the form https://goo.gl/*". I assume that links given out by Google itself are not affected. To this day Google Maps links are given out using the goo.gl domain and it seems highly unlikely that Google will turn those off any time soon. They are using a different scheme nowadays (maps.apps.goo.gl vs. goo.gl/maps/) but I think it is very likely that old-style links will continue to work for the foreseeable future as well.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=1... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2012-06#Goo.gl%... [3] https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-links-will-no-long...
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Am Mo., 22. Juli 2024 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com:
"Starting August 23, 2024, goo.gl links will start displaying an interstitial page for a percentage of existing links notifying your users that the link will no longer be supported after August 25th, 2025 prior to navigating to the original target page." In the next year the goo.gl links may cause problems, while as of August 25th, 2025 they cease working. Do you think this issue needs any central action? Of course, it may be handled locally, but not every wiki has bot owners for that. At least a global warning would be useful for communities.
My idea is to install an abuse filter that warns users to avoid new goo.gl links, and change the existing ones by bot.
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