Brion VIBBER wrote: [cut] [cut] That is not so, at least not on Wikipedia NL. If you detetes a image/file by use of the (del)-link that file is gone but the description page and the talk page still exist (if the where actieve of cource) If you wants to delete clean a image/file you have to do this; 1)go to the description page 2)If actieve, open the talk page in a new window and delete it 2)On the discription page; clik on (del) while opening it in a new window. 3)delete the image/file 4)go back to the window whit the discription page and delete it. (if you hit reload you see that the file is gone but the discription is still there) Now the are all gone whitout orphans. Giskart

[Note: The message that I'm replying to didn't appear on <wikipedia-l>.] Brion Vibber wrote: I agree with Brion. But I think that the change should appear on the main list too, since presumably some people have acclimated themselves to the old way. Hence I am crossposting this reply. -- Toby