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David Gerard

17 Sep 2012 17 Sep '12

12:25 p.m.

Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we can't even count it: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore IPv6 page views occur. - d.

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Thomas Dalton

17 Sep 17 Sep

1:36 p.m.

On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage.

David Gerard

2:03 p.m.

On 17 September 2012 12:36, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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> Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? > I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we > can't even count it: > http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm > Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore > IPv6 page views occur.

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That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage.

Indeed. So where are the actual stats? - d.

Diederik van Liere

7:51 p.m.

On World IP6 day (June 6th 2012), we had about 5000 IP6 hits, however, for the first 17 days of September we had a total of 1,000,032,000 hits coming from IP6 addresses. This is based on the sampled squid log data. Best, Diederik On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 17 September 2012 12:36, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage.

Indeed. So where are the actual stats? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Thomas Dalton

8:10 p.m.

Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it! On Sep 17, 2012 6:51 PM, "Diederik van Liere" <dvanliere(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On 17 September 2012 12:36, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? >> I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we >> can't even count it: >>

http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm

> Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore > IPv6 page views occur.

That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage.

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Derric Atzrott

8:24 p.m.

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Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it!

Agreed. Have that many ISPs started to roll out their IPv6 networks to subscribers? Do we have an alternative log that could be used to double check those numbers? Thank you, Derric Atzrott

Ryan Lane

9:14 p.m.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Derric Atzrott <datzrott(a)alizeepathology.com> wrote:

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Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it!

Agreed. Have that many ISPs started to roll out their IPv6 networks to subscribers? Do we have an alternative log that could be used to double check those numbers?

At peak we can get between 100,000 - 140,000 requests per second. The number provided by Diederik isn't very surprising. - Ryan

S Page

18 Sep 18 Sep

10:30 p.m.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Ryan Lane <rlane32(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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At peak we can get between 100,000 - 140,000 requests per second. The number provided by Diederik isn't very surprising.

Diederick later wrote

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... sampled-1000.log-20120916.gz,57763 sampled-1000.log-20120917.gz,65775

If my math is right, that's 65M IPv6 requests a day out of ~8,000M, roughly 0.8%, which matches <http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html> (though the latter claims to measure users, not requests). I imagine mobile users on IPv6 might be more aggressively cached by their providers, and they aren't requesting as many resources per page view, so Wikimedia's share of IPv6 users might be higher. -- =S Page software engineer on WMF E3 team

Faidon Liambotis

10:47 p.m.

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:30:14PM -0700, S Page wrote:

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I imagine mobile users on IPv6 might be more aggressively cached by their providers, and they aren't requesting as many resources per page view, so Wikimedia's share of IPv6 users might be higher.

I wouldn't count on mobile devices having any significant IPv6 adoption, even in our scale. The dual stack (IPv4v6 PDP) 3GPP specs are relatively new and supported by only a handful of carriers, the number of devices supporting two PDPs is exactly zero¹ and the only smartphone operating systems supporting IPv6 on the mobile interface are Symbian and Android >= 4.0/ICS (and the latter only partially, depending on the handset's chipset). The situation with USB sticks and MiFis are similar although I was pleasantly surprised last week to see Verizon's newer generation of MiFis supporting IPv6 out of the box. On the WiFi interface things are significantly better (works with all Symbians and Android >= 2.1) but still with more hiccups than on fixed (DHCPv6 and RFC 6106 support is non existent, IPv6 is only supported on the relatively new iOS >= 4 etc.) Regards, Faidon ¹: The Nokia N900 supported that but a) it's EOL, b) it needed a patched kernel and manual configuration anyway.

Antoine Musso

17 Sep 17 Sep

9:16 p.m.

Le 17/09/12 20:24, Derric Atzrott a écrit :

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Agreed. Have that many ISPs started to roll out their IPv6 networks to subscribers?

IPv6 started kicking off at the end of 2010. It is linearly growing since that. I know at least of Japan and France having a good number of IPv6 eyeballs. Google has a nice chart showing IPv6 connectivity percentage among its users: http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html I know a ton of ISP have IPv6 internally already, deploying it to end users is a bit more challenging since it needs to work on various materials using your custom configuration and you will need your customer support team ready to solve the issues that might arise. The french ISP did enable it a few years ago. They use a few kind of homemade hardware for all their subscriber and IPv6 is an option that need to be enabled by the end user. Comcast (a cable operator in US) has already ran out of IPv4 private IP to manage their network so happily worked on IPv6. I don't know about mobile ISP, but I am pretty sure some of them are using IPv6 as well. Though they probably use v6-v4 NAT systems :( To sum it up, ISP and major content providers are ready. Migrating eyeballs will take slightly more time :-] Anyway, we are diverging from the topic. -- Antoine "hashar" Musso

Derric Atzrott

9:22 p.m.

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Anyway, we are diverging from the topic.

Diederik van Liere

11:30 p.m.

Here is the actual raw data since Jan. 1st 2012 (multiply each observation with 1000 to get the estimated number of hits for that day). The assumption is that each hit has the same probability of showing up in the squid log file. 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Anyway, we are diverging from the topic.

Thank you for it though. It was very informative and puts those numbers (and therefore the rest of the conversation that will likely occur) in context. I'm sure Thomas and I weren't the only two people reading this list that didn't know that. Sorry for our tangent. Thank you, Derric Atzrott _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Antoine Musso

9:02 p.m.

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On Sep 17, 2012 6:51 PM, "Diederik van Liere" wrote: > On World IP6 day (June 6th 2012), we had about 5000 IP6 hits, > however, for the first 17 days of September we had a total > of 1,000,032,000 hits coming from IP6 addresses. This is based on the > sampled squid log data.

Le 17/09/12 20:10, Thomas Dalton a écrit :

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Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it!

The squid logs are sampled, we only collect 1/1000th of them. So if we ever end up with 1 000 032 hits in them, you have to times by 1000 to get an estimation of the correct value. Nothing wrong, great to know we already have passed a billion hits ;) -- Antoine "hashar" Musso

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