This might be a clueless question.
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Impressum&action=ed...
This contains a very out of date and invalid phone number for me. I wanted to change it, but when I logged in and tried to edit the page, I can not.
To be more specific, I get an edit box just fine, but when I go into the edit box and try to delete or add text, nothing happens. It's as if the box is somehow read-only.
This is true in all my browsers: Mozilla Firefox, Safari, IE.
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 13:51, Jimmy Wales wrote:
This might be a clueless question.
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Impressum&action=ed...
"Diese Seite ist für das Bearbeiten gesperrt, ..."
means that the page is protected.
best regards, Marco
Ah, well, that makes sense then.
It seems a strange user interface design, then, to give me an edit box that I can't edit. I had never encountered one of those. (Because I don't edit much, and because I am a sysop of course on en: which is where I do edit.)
Doesn't it astonish people (in a bad way) to have an edit box that they can't edit?
Anyhow, could someone remove that number?
310-474-3223 is a good number for now.
Marco Krohn wrote:
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 13:51, Jimmy Wales wrote:
This might be a clueless question.
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Impressum&action=ed...
"Diese Seite ist für das Bearbeiten gesperrt, ..."
means that the page is protected.
best regards, Marco
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Jimmy Wales wrote:
Ah, well, that makes sense then.
It seems a strange user interface design, then, to give me an edit box that I can't edit. I had never encountered one of those. (Because I don't edit much, and because I am a sysop of course on en: which is where I do edit.)
Doesn't it astonish people (in a bad way) to have an edit box that they can't edit?
Well sysops can edit in that box ;) Feel free to give our developers a hit :)
Anyhow, could someone remove that number?
310-474-3223 is a good number for now.
Number is changed.
:Telefon: +1(310)474-3223
Smurf
On Mar 3, 2004, at 05:08, Jimmy Wales wrote:
Ah, well, that makes sense then.
It seems a strange user interface design, then, to give me an edit box that I can't edit. I had never encountered one of those. (Because I don't edit much, and because I am a sysop of course on en: which is where I do edit.)
Doesn't it astonish people (in a bad way) to have an edit box that they can't edit?
People bitched and moaned for years that it was impossible to get at the wikisource for a protected page unless you were a sysop (or downloaded the entire backup dump). A read-only text box with a prominent note that the page is protected and read-only seems to do the job. There's no "edit page" link, just a "view source" link. The page header says "view source" and tells you "You can view and copy the source of this page:" It's pretty clear, unless you're messing around in a language you don't understand, in which case nothing's going to make much sense.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
O.k., this explanation makes sense. It's a tradeoff. Generally speaking, people ought not be editing in languages they can't read anyway. I wouldn't normally, except that I just wanted to change that phone number.
Brion Vibber wrote:
On Mar 3, 2004, at 05:08, Jimmy Wales wrote:
Ah, well, that makes sense then.
It seems a strange user interface design, then, to give me an edit box that I can't edit. I had never encountered one of those. (Because I don't edit much, and because I am a sysop of course on en: which is where I do edit.)
Doesn't it astonish people (in a bad way) to have an edit box that they can't edit?
People bitched and moaned for years that it was impossible to get at the wikisource for a protected page unless you were a sysop (or downloaded the entire backup dump). A read-only text box with a prominent note that the page is protected and read-only seems to do the job. There's no "edit page" link, just a "view source" link. The page header says "view source" and tells you "You can view and copy the source of this page:" It's pretty clear, unless you're messing around in a language you don't understand, in which case nothing's going to make much sense.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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"JW" == Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com writes:
JW> O.k., this explanation makes sense. It's a tradeoff. JW> Generally speaking, people ought not be editing in languages JW> they can't read anyway. I wouldn't normally, except that I JW> just wanted to change that phone number.
I wonder if we should have a "view source" for all pages, that just serves the Wiki text for the page, unformatted -- not as HTML.
~ESP
On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:30, Evan Prodromou wrote:
I wonder if we should have a "view source" for all pages, that just serves the Wiki text for the page, unformatted -- not as HTML.
Serving plaintext is human-unfriendly because most browsers will display it without line wrapping. Using a <textarea> provides legible, copy-and-pasteable text with soft line wrapping, and minimizes behavior differences between using 'edit' to get at an editable page's source and 'view source' to get at a protected page..
For machine readers, Special:Export provides the source text in a light XML wrapper which includes metadata (title, revision date, last author, edit comment) for any page.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:30, Evan Prodromou wrote:
I wonder if we should have a "view source" for all pages, that just serves the Wiki text for the page, unformatted -- not as HTML.
Serving plaintext is human-unfriendly because most browsers will display it without line wrapping. Using a <textarea> provides legible, copy-and-pasteable text with soft line wrapping, and minimizes behavior differences between using 'edit' to get at an editable page's source and 'view source' to get at a protected page..
For machine readers, Special:Export provides the source text in a light XML wrapper which includes metadata (title, revision date, last author, edit comment) for any page.
The pywikipediabot uses Special:Export whenever it can download more than one page at a time. Sometimes, however, there are characters in pages or usernames which are not decodable in the right character set; in such a case the XML produced by this option is unparsable (according to the standard, any XML compliant parser has to generate a fatal error upon such an event). Unless that is fixed, the "export" via the "edit" option, even for a locked page, is necessary for a complete robot run to succeed.
Rob
On Mar 7, 2004, at 03:41, Rob Hooft wrote:
The pywikipediabot uses Special:Export whenever it can download more than one page at a time. Sometimes, however, there are characters in pages or usernames which are not decodable in the right character set; in such a case the XML produced by this option is unparsable (according to the standard, any XML compliant parser has to generate a fatal error upon such an event). Unless that is fixed, the "export" via the "edit" option, even for a locked page, is necessary for a complete robot run to succeed.
Rob, I'd like to get this fixed before I push out the final 1.2.0 release of MediaWiki. I remember there were problems with line endings and perhaps some misencoded Windows-1252 characters... could you point to a few pages that exhibit problems to test with?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
On Mar 7, 2004, at 03:41, Rob Hooft wrote:
The pywikipediabot uses Special:Export whenever it can download more than one page at a time. Sometimes, however, there are characters in pages or usernames which are not decodable in the right character set; in such a case the XML produced by this option is unparsable (according to the standard, any XML compliant parser has to generate a fatal error upon such an event). Unless that is fixed, the "export" via the "edit" option, even for a locked page, is necessary for a complete robot run to succeed.
Rob, I'd like to get this fixed before I push out the final 1.2.0 release of MediaWiki. I remember there were problems with line endings and perhaps some misencoded Windows-1252 characters... could you point to a few pages that exhibit problems to test with?
The line endings are not so important; these are invisible. What is more annoying is pages that are made by a user whose name is given using non-utf, non-ascii characters:
====================== import wikipedia
ar = [ wikipedia.PageLink('ca','Lept%C3%B3'), ] ga = wikipedia.GetAll('ca',ar) ga.run()
for pl in ar: try: print len(pl._contents) except AttributeError: print -1 ========================
Gives:
Dumped invalid XML to sax_parse_bug.dat Traceback (most recent call last): File "x.py", line 7, in ? ga.run() File "/usr/local/home/rob/p/pywikipedia/wikipedia.py", line 583, in run xml.sax.parseString(data, handler) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/__init__.py", line 49, in parseString parser.parse(inpsrc) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 107, in parse xmlreader.IncrementalParser.parse(self, source) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/xmlreader.py", line 123, in parse self.feed(buffer) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 211, in feed self._err_handler.fatalError(exc) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/xml/sax/handler.py", line 38, in fatalError raise exception xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: <unknown>:7:25: not well-formed (invalid token)
And line 7 is encoded in iso-8859-1 and therefore contains invalid utf-8 references:
<contributor><ip>Plàcid Pérez Bru</ip></contributor>
I don't know whether this is the only problem that occurs, but it is the only one I can find now in my last log file.
Rob
Jimmy Wales wrote:
O.k., this explanation makes sense. It's a tradeoff. Generally speaking, people ought not be editing in languages they can't read anyway. I wouldn't normally, except that I just wanted to change that phone number.
Yikes, I am sometimes editing ~30 different languages, and I only really understand 4 of them.... For changing technicalities like interwiki links, there are thousands of wikipedia editors editing foreign languages that they don't understand.
One possible solution, that would require a huge paradigm shift in the software, would be that the interface language would not be tied to the wikipedia language, but to the editor... Then again, most people that edit foreign language 'pedia's are so used to the 'pedia userinterface that they "understand" everything anyway.
Rob
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