BlueJeans is "open source" though I can't offhand find their source code by googling for "bluejeans source". ;) It's being used mostly for larger meetings because a) it has a larger limit for number of participants than Google Hangout and b) it seems to be more open than Google Hangout. When you join you're prompted to either use your computer or use a phone connection; if you choose computer, you then are given the chance to enable or disable the camera and mic before the connection actually starts. Can't answer on if anybody's paying anything as I don't know, but personally I would hope we are helping to fund their open source development. ;) -- brion On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

Jeremy, uncheck the microphone and camera buttons after selecting 'computer' and before selecting 'join'. -- brion On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote: Heh.... ok that would be something to report upstream yes. :) Not relevant to a lot of folks doing straightforward video conferencing so that's probably why it's not already working, but probably relevant to our usage for presentations with large audiences. (When there's a YouTube live stream that's at least watchable on most browsers, but then you can't participate in the direct chat.) -- brion

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: (to clarify, I was using the service as a guest, I don't have an account.) I'm happy to help with more STR if needed. :) so, do I open my own support ticket? I guess I'll wait a bit to see if someone knows whether or not we have a relationship with them and they want to file for me? (best guess would be OIT?) sure, I don't know much about them, I just heard of the service for the first time today. I think. yeah, that was my point. we have audiences that have more than average concerns about privacy. but also * we shouldn't make it hard for people to enforce least privilege (and we shouldn't be getting people into the habit of clicking allow unnecessarily): don't allow access to camera if you're not going to use the camera. and * some people may want to watch a presentation in their pajamas, etc. :) yeah. actually, if we do have a relationship with them then I wonder if this is available for others to use too? I know some other Wikimedia meetings where this was an issue. at first glance, doesn't look like they publish prices or offer a free tier; they say that the free trial lasts 14 days. I did some searching and found projects related to bluejeans and they offer various auxiliary software packages (e.g. browser plugins and the relay) for download directly from the bluejeans site. but no sign of source or license (or even statement that they are proprietary). maybe someone else lurking has the answer? On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjorsch(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: ugh, another maybe blocker. (I was using Google branded Chrome so didn't run into any of that yet) -Jeremy

Yep, all Linux-compatible large-group video conferencing options known are known to be bad in different ways. -- brion On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:00 PM, John Mark Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: webcam (yes, this is possible) will generate 400 streams Pretty much sounds like a deal breaker to me. The primary use case of bluejeans is for meetings where we need a hundred people in the same channel. The difference with bluejeans is it manages the streams on the backend and sends just one video stream to each user (afaik).

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: The demo has a html5 client, and the demo asks me whether I want to use Flash or HTML5. -- John Vandenberg

I recommend you to try open source Canvas LMS which is replacing other open source platforms: https://enterexe.com/open-source-canvas-lms-software-implementation